Filth. 5 years is too little for an absolute vile human being like that.

Don't drop the soap chad

Hope he gets it in the pen.

No, it.

And I don´t want anyone using soap as lube either.

He'll probably be out in 2 years.

If I was a footballer i'd be very careful indeed when attending these parties. I'm not sure that i'd attend at all.

if i was high profile, i would not have sex with drunk girls period and every partner would be taped with my phone saying they consented to what was about to go down. if that's too much for them, then fuck off. even in my current not high profile life i've passed on sex, so they can definitely do it.

That's completely missing the point. It's about the power, the feeling that they can have whoever or whatever they want. Anyone can convince themselves they don't want it and knock it back, these people need to take it because that is what their ego demands.

This isn't about a footballer being caught shagging some girl who threw herself at him, it's about a sick bastard who took advantage of a girl so drunk she didn't know what she was doing. I hope he rots and in hell and spends every night in his cell in fear of his safety. Unlikely though, he'll probably be seen as some kind of stud, and in a world where Marlon King and Lee Hughes can commit heinous acts and later come out of prison to lead priviledged lives, Evans will probably be out in two years like Tony says and pick up where he left off, with some morally bankrupt club throwing money at him to save their season.

my post was just in the event some girl wants to lie on them because of who they are. if he did rape the girl then yeah he's going to get what's coming to him. if i had a sister and she was raped, i would probably would end up in jail myself because that would be one dead fucker after i fed him his cock among other torturous acts.

violent/forcible rape is obviously one of the most worst things a man can do to someone, but when there's alcohol involved, it can get dicey with the he said/she said. i find it hard to judge without having been there or knowing the full details.

I have a sister, but frankly if she gets too drunk to remember what she was doing and had sex with someone who was also drunk I wouldn't hold it against the guy unless he seriously hurt her (physically) or something.

If I'm so drunk that I'll have sex with anyone and I'm walking on the street running into other intoxicated strangers, I would assume full responsibility for whatever happens to me so long as no law is broken.

and how come the other dude got off? didn't the article say he had sex with her too and basically said "ain't no fun if the homies can't have none."

Ah, fair enough I suppose.

I still think a hefty fine would be more appropriate, as I've been (as in, hung out) with many chicks who seemed to be in control and then following morning told me they'd blacked out and couldn't remember a thing (often they slept with random guys and felt 'raped', too... but if you saw them on the night they looked like they were enjoying themselves).

Still, he doesn't sound like a very likable human being.

I suppose there's two aspects to it:

• whether what happened was morally wrong and if so, who was culpable
• whether Evans 'deserves what he gets' because he's an idiot

In the first aspect it looks like both McDonald and Evans are culpable in as much as they seem to be scumbags who conspired to deprive a woman of proper informed consent to sex. In my view they're most probably both rapists. However, the facts seem a bit murky as to how conscious and able to give consent she was at the time - for one thing, she herself doesn't remember the events.

I don't think drinking to the point of 'missing time' should lead to too much passing of judgement. Missing time affects different people for different neurological reasons. A friend of my sister's who fell three storeys and fractured his skull aged 14 can lose six hours of an evening by drinking a pint, but it doesn't stop him doing it from time to time.

In the second aspect, I don't really believe in punishing idiocy, but even supposing that Evans was somehow innocent of depriving the victim of consent - that he arrived on the scene ignorant of her degree of intoxication, that she seemed 'in control', that it was just your average harmless May 2011 multi-footballer gang-bang - he should've known that the situation he was in could potentially destroy his career.

All in all it's the sorry tale of an interaction between a group of dimwits in a dimly lit world with unacceptable standards of respect for women. Evans deserves his sentence no doubt, but I'd invite those enthusiastically supporting his punishment to realise that there are probably scores of pro footballers, playing now, who've been involved in similar incidents and gone quite unpunished. If Evans is a rapist then so are they.

Why limit it to footballers? I know at least 10 guys who have slept with women who have been incredibly drunk.

I don't think much of the sexual act so long as it's done responsibly. If a girl wants to do me while I'm passed out she can be my guest so long as she doesn't physically hurt me and takes precautions to prevent pregnancy/stds.

These guys should both be convicted, there's no argument. 5 years in jail just strikes me as harsh.

Yeah, I'm not limiting it to footballers in particular, but this is a football board. My opinions above extends to anyone in a similar position of having 'any girl/boy they want' (as Evans was reported to have put it).

If a girl wants to do me while I'm passed out she can be my guest so long as she doesn't physically hurt me and takes precautions to prevent pregnancy/stds

Not my bag in the slightest, but I have personal friends who would happily consent to far more. Suspension fetishists and so on. The amount of effort such people devote to establishing consent under mutually agreed norms - not to mention safety words, etc. etc. can be pretty mind-boggling.

I'm glad he got convicted and received a proper sentence. More girls should come forward when this happens and more judges should be less lenient than they are.

Agreed Capi.

RC8, I find your posts in this thread disturbing.