I'd agree with that, although I'm surprised Wenger makes your list!

For a combination of factors, I'm sure Wenger must be hugely appealing to certain types of clubs (and players!) and if given a fresh start, away from his 'project', he'll be able to deliver more reliably.

Capello and Hiddink deserve a mention.

Mourinho's also never had the opportunity (or the desire?) to build successive teams or stay at a club and develop a culture unlike Ferguson and Wenger. Counts for something these days.

What does that matter?
A managers job is assembling a winning team- forget all that other bollocks it's just spin by the club to push their agenda.
Wenger used to be good and the Model-T used to be a good car.
Don't care about La Liga as it's totally corrupt.
There's no one who can touch Ferguson, probably the greatest manager ever.

Liverpool managers of the 70s and 80s could touch him. Not better than him but pretty damn good.

'Liverpool managers'?

Who's he?

Biggus wrote:

Don't care about La Liga as it's totally corrupt.

True, but Guardiola's been incredibly successful in the CL as well. In terms of years active in the CL to the number of trophies, he fares better than every other manager in Europe. Even if you take into account the players he's had, that's quite something.

Biggus wrote:

'Liverpool managers'?

Who's he?

Bob Paisley

Not Shankly and Dalgleish then?

Yeah Paisley was a great manager too, but he came from a great tradition.

General Mirth wrote:

Biggus wrote:

Don't care about La Liga as it's totally corrupt.

True, but Guardiola's been incredibly successful in the CL as well. In terms of years active in the CL to the number of trophies, he fares better than every other manager in Europe. Even if you take into account the players he's had, that's quite something.

Fact is Barcelona is the defacto Catalonian state side, they have all sorts of official support to turn them into a superclub.
More than a club? You bet, more like a criminal organisation.

Where have I mentioned Barcelona? This is about managers and their merits.

Yeah Shankly as well.

Shankly was like the (early) Wenger of his day.

Do you know Tony, he was.....Down to the wicked wit.
If only Wenger had the courage to mentor a successor instead of yes men, and had the intelligence to know when to go, he might have created a winning dynasty too.

Do you remember the era well Biggus?

Do you prefer the football played then or now? It must have been strange seeing United being average and not getting favour from refs.

Shankly is comparable to Wenger. Fergie is on another planet. In terms of English football its his own planet and no one else is allowed to enter its orbit.

Including the BBC

If Wenger made himself available on the job market it would be the biggest story about a football manager this millennium. Same goes for Fergie of course, but there's zero chance of that. Maybe 25% it'll happen in Wenger's case.

On a slight tangent...
Assuming league standings stay as they are, if any of the top 5 managers in England were relieved of their jobs this summer, it would be unfortunate. Each one of Ferguson, Mancini, Wenger, Redknapp and Pardew have done a good-to-excellent job. The only good excuse would be if England tapped Pardew for the national team job.

General Mirth wrote:

Where have I mentioned Barcelona? This is about managers and their merits.

Well what has Guardiola achieved without Barcelona?
My left testicle could manage Barcelona, my instructions would be- Give the ball to Messi.

Tony Montana wrote:

Do you remember the era well Biggus?

Do you prefer the football played then or now? It must have been strange seeing United being average and not getting favour from refs.

I was a bit young in the Shankly era Tony, but I remember the Paisley one very well.

The game was very different then, more chess than fencing, although it was more physical I can't remember any more really dangerous leg breaking tackles than nowadays, perhaps because the game was played at a slower pace and you had time to react and get to fuck out of the way.

Utd were shit then and a joke, we used to beat them all the time, they even got relegated as did Spurs- Golden days.......

Burnwinter wrote:

Including the BBC

If Wenger made himself available on the job market it would be the biggest story about a football manager this millennium. Same goes for Fergie of course, but there's zero chance of that. Maybe 25% it'll happen in Wenger's case.

Regrettably you're probably right Burnsy.
Wenger has stamped his mark everywhere on our club, it doesn't matter how lamentable our results get he's inveigled himself so deep into the structure he's become synonymous with it.
For many supporters like the slumbering subjugated citizens of a totalitarian regime, they're simply not aware that there is an alternative.
For the rest of us we're condemned to a kind of Sisyphean hades which won't end until Wenger retires, dies, or the club changes ownership.

Biggus wrote:

General Mirth wrote:

Where have I mentioned Barcelona? This is about managers and their merits.

Well what has Guardiola achieved without Barcelona?
My left testicle could manage Barcelona, my instructions would be- Give the ball to Messi.

I have this horrible imagine of your testicle barking instructions from the touchline.

A talking nad is quite impressive, you should take it on tour.

Well one testicle always hangs lower (this is to prevent them clacking together when you walk), this phenomenon was first noticed in the 6th century by the Chinese physician Wun Hung Lo.