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Villas Boas sacked.

y va marquer

I didn't see that but part of me commends them for making Pardew's reign difficult.

lorddulaarsenal

I feel for avb. He was ageing rapidly so it's probably a good thing for him

Claudius

Y Va, I'd suggest that managers come and go because Roman credits them with success and failure. For him, they are responsible for bringing glory. Not the players.

As for the players, they stay because none of the managers stay. When you are a Chelsea manager, you know that the expected length of your reign is 12 months. Would you start buying and selling players if that was your expected tenure? Or would you add finishing touches to the experienced and talented core you already have?

The problem is not the players. The problem is 100% Roman's impatience.

Captain

y va marquer wrote:
I didn't see that but part of me commends them for making Pardew's reign difficult.

😆

Point was that players always have it in their ability to get the manager sacked. Exactly why they would want to do that is a separate issue.

y va marquer

I think Abramovich's impatience, or idiocy 🙂 , or whatever it is that you want to call it Claudius, has created the environment that has allowed the players to become part of the problem.
The breakdown in the player / manager relationship was the primary reason that AVB got the sack?
I also read that even Abramovich may have twigged this as apparently he called a meeting with the players to let them know his feelings on the performances that they have been serving up of late.

Claudius

Pardew should spend some time talking about some of AVB's tactics, squad selections, radio comments and TV interviews before he goes off about the players. And last but not least, fuck Pardew.

Captain

Fact remains; power player is not a myth.

y va marquer

Check that fact Captain 🙂

Rex

Captain wrote:
Fact remains; power player is not a myth.

Robin is a power player. 🙂

Mirth

Claudius wrote:
Y Va, I'd suggest that managers come and go because Roman credits them with success and failure. For him, they are responsible for bringing glory. Not the players.

As for the players, they stay because none of the managers stay. When you are a Chelsea manager, you know that the expected length of your reign is 12 months. Would you start buying and selling players if that was your expected tenure? Or would you add finishing touches to the experienced and talented core you already have?

The problem is not the players. The problem is 100% Roman's impatience.

Goes without saying that Abrahamovic is the biggest problem but the first thing any manager would do, given half a chance, would be to move those players out which is a damning admission.

Most Chelsea fans that are clued into the details of the club feel the same, have a look at the forums.

Claudius

GM, why would you blow up Chelsea if you are not going to be around to enjoy the fruits of your labor? Win now with what you have.
I know what you mean though. Any manager stepping into Chelsea would want to build his own team, not win with Mourinho's henchmen. But it's just not practical.

I can't see longterm thinkers like Wenger, Guardiola etc ever considering that job. Instant gratification managers like Mourinho and Hiddink would be the best bet or a lower-tier manager who has no other top-tier options. If that was the only call that, say, Favre got this summer, he'd be crazy not to take the job.

Captain

Player power is not a myth either...

Mirth

Claudius wrote:
GM, why would you blow up Chelsea if you are not going to be around to enjoy the fruits of your labor? Win now with what you have.
I know what you mean though. Any manager stepping into Chelsea would want to build his own team, not win with Mourinho's henchmen. But it's just not practical.

I can't see longterm thinkers like Wenger, Guardiola etc ever considering that job. Instant gratification managers like Mourinho and Hiddink would be the best bet or a lower-tier manager who has no other top-tier options. If that was the only call that say Favre got this summer, he'd be crazy not to take the job.

That is true, but Roman seems keen on moving away from the idea that Chelsea exist for instant gratification.

I think a poster on this forum said that one of the reasons why Ancelotti was sacked was because he didn't want to make big changes along with his failures in the CL (citation needed)
Roman himself pushed for the fairplay regulations.
He went with AVB, who was a relatively inexperienced manager compared to all his other appointments.

After the initial wave of success, Chelsea have always wanted to build themselves up by improving their academy and stadium. We take it for granted but there are a list of clubs who haven't managed to make either those things happen in the recent years.

I suspect even Man City will moved towards that model in a few years.

Tbh even if AVB was underperforming, he wouldn't have been sacked. I think it's the failure to qualify for the CL that scared them because they expected to be in it after all these years of finishing second. And rightly so, I guess.

Rafa Benitez seems to be next in line.

Burnwinter

I heard Benitez ruled himself out because he didn't want less than a two year contract.

Agreed that Chelsea need to be in the CL with the level of expenditure they have, and their ambition. The end of season will judge whether sacking AVB was the right call, but it seems spineless at present.

banduan

they wanted to give him a contract to the end of the current season! Taking the mick...

Burnwinter

Chelsea need to factor in that offering only a 6-12 month contract is like asking the candidate to take a 50-66% pay cut, given he'll be paid out and moving on within a year anyway.

Biggus

Villas-Boas was sacked because the results weren't good enough and rightly so, he tried to change the system and impose one that the players were unfamiliar with and chaos ensued.
So much for him- Next!

Claudius

It is rumored that Chelsea will offer Mourinho 12 million pounds a year to return. If that is true it would signal the risk profile of the job. Much as CEO pay has skyrocketed in the last 20 years as CEO average tenures have declined, Chelsea's salary could similarly rise.

One thing's for sure. 50m pounds or so spent sacking and stealing managers could've been better spent on another two super quality players.

Burnwinter

Be hilarious if that were true. Mourinho really isn't the man to turn Chelsea's fortunes around from here when you look at it. So he'd probably just pick up the first 12m in a crumbling regime and get paid out the next 12-24m when he was sacked.

Mirth

Villas-Boas slept at training ground, took final training session and was sacked... but Abramovich blames the players

Abramovich personally told the players they were responsible for his demise and warned them there will be 'massive changes' at Chelsea in the summer. Villas-Boas was so consumed — some believe obsessed — with the job, he had even slept at the training ground in a Japanese-style pod on Saturday evening.

In the dressing-room the players grew tired of his timekeeping, fed up of him monitoring their arrival some days from the balcony of his first-floor office.

Some started a game among themselves, flying into the car park as the seconds counted down to the scheduled arrival time. They would jump out of their cars with moments to spare, winding up the manager by acknowledging him with a sarcastic wave as they headed in to change.

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