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The Aaron Ramsey Player Thread

yuv

He did look pretty balanced sprinting the length of the field, getting there first and creating that position. In fact, he did everything brilliantly, until it was time to pull the trigger.
You'll see my point in the end: it is all mental with him. And it will happen, in the end, only it will probably take a lot longer than we hoped. Another year, and perhaps less pressure when Jack's back and assumes that forward role may help a lot in that.
Right now, it's just not happening for him.

Ricky1985

I disagree that he looked balanced running; he looked like he was going to fall over to me, and his first touch was so poor, as in he couldn't take it in his stride, that he allowed Gareth Barry to catch him up!

It was only because Barry fell over that it looked like he tricked him. In truth, Ramsey didn't really do a lot there; slight feint, Barry running full-tilt went over and then Ramsey had to take two touches before he got his shot away. And he pushed the ball too far with the second touch, which is why he lashed it wide.

I think it all comes back to a lack of coordination, and I hope it's because he's still adjusting to his bigger frame.

Woolwichgooner

He did everything wrong, there is no positives to be taken out of the situation. He should of passed the ball at the first opportunity.

sabret00the

I've said for a while that his decision making is off. He seems scared to hold on to the ball when in possession. But yesterday was beyond belief, it was quite frankly ignorant and it was all Wenger's fault. No matter how you look at it, Ramsey isn't a winger and the fact he's being shoehorned into the team validates bad decisions. If he isn't good enough in his position, he shouldn't be travelling.

Qwiss

yuv wrote:
He did look pretty balanced sprinting the length of the field, getting there first and creating that position. In fact, he did everything brilliantly, until it was time to pull the trigger.
You'll see my point in the end: it is all mental with him. And it will happen, in the end, only it will probably take a lot longer than we hoped. Another year, and perhaps less pressure when Jack's back and assumes that forward role may help a lot in that.
Right now, it's just not happening for him.

I agree.

Don't really see the unbalanced thing at all.

Finishing training does improve composure, if you're more confident in your technique you'll be more confident when it comes to the crunch.

Ricky1985

Lets not make out Ramsey was horrible other than that miss. He came on and was fine, didn't do anything of note wrong other than that.

Not saying I'd like to see him left wing, but he passed and linked up well enough for the time he was on. And the miss was nothing to do with where he was playing.

Qwiss

sabret00the wrote:
He seems scared to hold on to the ball when in possession.

Strangely most of his critics say the opposite.

You're dead right about him not being a winger though. If Wenger wanted to bring him on he should have put him in the middle.

Mirth

I could get the stick when Ramsey was starting week in, week out and playing poorly but it seems a little extreme now. Through form and injury he's dropped below the pecking order and it's only because we don't have a left winger/Wenger being (overly?) cautious with AOC that he's getting any games right now. He's not going to be playing there on a long term basis I don't think.

He's had an underwhelming season considering all the hype around him but there's no reason not to be patient with him.

sabret00the

Ramsey came on and offered nothing in particular at left wing. What we needed was an outleft down that side, some cutting edge. By all accounts, Ramsey never offered that.

sabret00the

qs! wrote:
sabret00the wrote:
He seems scared to hold on to the ball when in possession.

Strangely most of his critics say the opposite.

You're dead right about him not being a winger though. If Wenger wanted to bring him on he should have put him in the middle.

He's measured in release of the ball. That goes without saying, but that's about his style of play. Remember he once said he modelled himself on Gerrard. So one touch passing is always going to be an afterthought. The problem is though, the times when he should hold on to the ball, he falls short, releasing it too quick as though he's scared to invite an oncoming challenge. So many of his final-third-passes fail because he rushed the decision or rushed the pass.

Ricky1985

Lagos wrote:
Ricky1985 wrote:
I don't think he needs to work on his finishing, he doesn't lack anything from a specific technical standpoint and he won't improve his composure in training, it'll improve on it's own with confidence.

What worries me right now is how unbalanced he looks in everything he does, he lacks the agility of even ordinary footballers. When he breaks into a full sprint he looks close to falling over, every time, no chance of controlling the ball properly like that.

I hope it's because he's got a tad taller and a lot stockier since he broke his leg and it will take him a little time to adjust to that - time for his legs to catch up and give him a stronger base for his bigger frame.

where did you get that from? There were stories he grew an inch or 2 but that was before his injury.

He's gone from a skinny 19 year old kid to a well built 21 year old man.

Ricky1985

Oh right, ignore that part then, not really the main point.

He's just a far bigger unit than he was pre-injury and I'm hoping he's still adjusting to that. Could be completely wrong, but I hope I'm not.

RonBurgundy

General Mirth wrote:
I could get the stick when Ramsey was starting week in, week out and playing poorly but it seems a little extreme now. Through form and injury he's dropped below the pecking order and it's only because we don't have a left winger/Wenger being (overly?) cautious with AOC that he's getting any games right now. He's not going to be playing there on a long term basis I don't think.

I don't get this. Gervinho's primary position at AFC is left winger. Benayoun is comfortable on the left. Arshavin is a left winger and we loaned him out. Ryo is a left winger and we loaned him out. You say Wenger has been cautious with Chambo but he should at least be an option at left wing in times of real need. Park was supposed to be an option on the left. Hell, even Rosicky and Arteta have had experience playing wide left. Wenger has had options and yet still chooses to play Ramsey out wide. No excuse for it IMO.

Lukazan

Ricky1985 wrote:
What worries me right now is how unbalanced he looks in everything he does, he lacks the agility of even ordinary footballers. When he breaks into a full sprint he looks close to falling over, every time, no chance of controlling the ball properly like that.

I get exactly what you mean. Anything more than a jog and it looks like he's desperately fighting to stay on his feet.

Mirth

Ron Burgundy wrote:
General Mirth wrote:
I could get the stick when Ramsey was starting week in, week out and playing poorly but it seems a little extreme now. Through form and injury he's dropped below the pecking order and it's only because we don't have a left winger/Wenger being (overly?) cautious with AOC that he's getting any games right now. He's not going to be playing there on a long term basis I don't think.

I don't get this. Gervinho's primary position at AFC is left winger. Benayoun is comfortable on the left. Arshavin is a left winger and we loaned him out. Ryo is a left winger and we loaned him out. You say Wenger has been cautious with Chambo but he should at least be an option at left wing in times of real need. Park was supposed to be an option on the left. Hell, even Rosicky and Arteta have had experience playing wide left. Wenger has had options and yet still chooses to play Ramsey out wide. No excuse for it IMO.

We don't have a left winger right now.

Rosicky's in midfield because he's been playing better than Ramsey, Benayoun did start yesterday, Gervinho's not getting much game time since the ACN/looks out of form regardless of whoever is in front of him.

As for Park, he doesn't even get in the bench ahead of Chamakh.

And it's definitely not going to be Ramsey's permanent position, it's just one of those things managers try out sometimes. Wenger's not an exception here.

What's weird is that he chooses to do it when there are 8 games left.

RonBurgundy

Fair points GM. Still a bit miffed about the whole situation.

yuv

Nah, Ricky, I'm not with you on this at all. When he got to the "preparing" touches, after Barry "slipped" (come on, mate. He deserves some credit, no?) he was already in the deadly mental swamp. Thinking, pondering, planning. He''l continue to struggle till he finds the resources to overcome that basic frailty.

I agree with qs on stuff to do: it's no guarantee, but surely a gradual gaining of confidence, through routine exercise and the like, would help him there. (if I'm right that the main issue is mental, that is).

Timbob

He's 21. Simple as that. He's got talent but he's still just a kid, he's gonna have bad games and make bad decisions. Arteta and Song were nothing at the same age.

Some of the fan reaction to him recently has been retarded.

Clrnc

Ricky1985 wrote:
I don't think he needs to work on his finishing, he doesn't lack anything from a specific technical standpoint and he won't improve his composure in training, it'll improve on it's own with confidence.

What worries me right now is how unbalanced he looks in everything he does, he lacks the agility of even ordinary footballers. When he breaks into a full sprint he looks close to falling over, every time, no chance of controlling the ball properly like that.

I hope it's because he's got a tad taller and a lot stockier since he broke his leg and it will take him a little time to adjust to that - time for his legs to catch up and give him a stronger base for his bigger frame.

Tbf, he has always been like this season the whole season, bad first touches, struggles to dribble. Its no surprised he is the most dispossessed player in the whole league this season. He lost so much possession for us. Ever since the Marseille home game where he was excellent, he hasn't been the same. He kept missing sitters the whole season and although I can't seem to remember any that costed us (oh bolton away only), his finishing really sucks big time. His long range efforts are close to pathetic as well. It is only now that Rosicky plays regularly people can see how much Ramsey pulls our game down especially playing in advance role. He takes too long a touch and constantly slows down the game.

I really hope Wenger brings him back to a deeper midfield role because that will suit his all round running game better.

Coombs

Shouldn't be in the team. Lacks everything at the moment. Needs a loan move as much as any other young player in the squad. Why should everyone else get one but him? Seems unfair.

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