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Ricky1985

I couldn't watch, but I'm glad Joshua is being exposed. I've had debates with friends because they tell me Joshua would beat Fury. It wouldn't even be a contest! 😆 He's all power, no brains. I think Wilder would do terrible thongs to him, he's just as one-dimensional, but bigger and hits harder. The only disappointment I have is we maybe won't now get a massively hyped up face-off with Fury. Fury would have whooped him so badly.

KingslandBarge

Thats ok too I think, to get potentially whooped by Fury. To get bested by Usyk. The former is a great and the latter looked and sounds like an all-timer too. If people perhaps accept he'll likely loose a few more, will be an underdog against the best, Joshua's still someone to rally around.

The smoke and mirrors persona built by promotion may have even been damaging for his psychological development. He looked 2nd best in terms of mindset, again.

jones

Something to be said about a man who travels from country to country and fucks everyone up in their own backyard. In recent years Kovalev did the same but in the heavyweight bar Lennox no one did it since Ali

jones

lorddulaarsenal

😆 gotta love Tyson Fury.

Ricky1985

😆

He is refreshingly honest amidst all the other sports people that are just so full of shit.

flobaba

Yep. Good fight. Ended as expected.

Wilder put up a decent showing for the first few rounds then ran out of gas and Fury’s superiority shone through eventually.

Wonder if Fury goes up against Usyk next.

Gazza M

wilder got picked apart. apart from round 4 it was a one-sided affair

Ricky1985

I can't believe I fell asleep and missed this ffs! So happy Fury prevailed. I had worried he would want to put on a show and beat up Wilder up, and that might lead to him giving Wilder a chance he wouldn't otherwise have. It sounds like that is sort of how the fight went?

I always knew he'd have too much for him in the end though.

Ricky1985

Just finished watching, Tyson Fury, take a bow!

I almost felt sorry for Wilder in the end.

jones

Ricky1985 wrote:
I can't believe I fell asleep and missed this ffs!

Same here, stayed awake until minutes before the fight happened ffs.

Good entertaining fight, Fury wasn't in the best shape though. Wilder came in too heavy, he was always going to give up couple stone in weight why rob yourself of your quickness, not like the extra bulk helped with his stamina either.

flobaba

Well, he was trying to gain more power - if the pre fight reports / hype are to be believed, he had managed to double his full force punching power since their last fight. I doubt it, but that was the claim from his camp. He isn’t a stamina fighter. Can’t last the distance, and he threw (and missed) all those bombs and expended so much energy putting out that funny looking body jab in the first couple of rounds that it was inevitable that he would tire out quickly.

Enjoyed the fight, but truth was Wilder had only a puncher’s chance, and Fury had already shown he could take his best shot in the previous bout. There was only ever going to be one outcome.

jones

Disagree, any man who goes to sleep can get knocked out. If Wilder knocks Fury down a minute earlier in round four no telling what can happen, he's a shit boxer but has serious power in his right hand.

You want stamina in the ring not just so you're able to make it to the last round but to be able to throw more. The fight was done after round six because Wilder was just huffing at that point, his gas tank is tiny while Fury weighs close to 300 pounds but could fight 15 rounds no problem. Bigger issue with his weight however is that it slows him down, Wilder doesn't throw compact shots basically all of his wins come because of his leap 1-2. It's his biggest strength and also why he can't really start fighting all out early like Mike Tyson to offset his weak stamina because his style and strengths are all wrong for it.

At the end of the day it is what it is, Wilder is an extremely limited fighter with a monster right, and for what talent he has he's gone 42-0 and an Olympic bronze medal. He's done well, no shame admitting defeat to someone like Fury who's clearly on a different level. If Fury comes in looking like last night against Usyk though he's in trouble.

flobaba

Another issue they may have been trying to mitigate with Wilder’s weight gain was the effect of Fury’s size or weight. He puts that 280 lbs on you every chance he gets and it sucks the energy out of you trying to fight or hold him off.

What do you mean “any man who goes to sleep can get knocked out”? Wilder is a knock out artist - that’s literally all he does. Like you say he has serious power. And Fury ate it in the previous (first) fight, took a 9 count and stood back up. Twice. And he ate it again yesterday. Twice. Before Wilder gassed out. And got back up. Others before him haven’t managed it - Tyson Fury is no glass jaw is what I’m saying.

I agree somewhat with the stamina bit, but it’s one of those natural attributes like a strong chin, and hard hands. Some folks just have it. And some don’t. Fury does. Wilder doesn’t. And Wilder isn’t a great boxer, so he was never going to win in a boxing match. His best bet was to try to take Fury out early. That was obviously the strategy and once the fight got past midway it was only ever going to end in a Fury victory.

Want to see an Usyk fight as well. Hope it doesn’t take too long to put together.

jones

flobaba wrote:
What do you mean “any man who goes to sleep can get knocked out”? Wilder is a knock out artist - that’s literally all he does. Like you say he has serious power. And Fury ate it in the previous (first) fight, took a 9 count and stood back up. Twice. And he ate it again yesterday. Twice. Before Wilder gassed out. And got back up. Others before him haven’t managed it - Tyson Fury is no glass jaw is what I’m saying.

I'm referring to your saying Fury already ate Wilder's best shot. He took big shots and survived them, doesn't mean that was Wilder's strongest shot or that "there was only one outcome" as evidenced by the two knockdowns. Fury is a much more accomplished fighter but there was a big chance Wilder could have caught him with something especially on a night where Fury didn't look nearly as good as in his last fight.

I agree somewhat with the stamina bit, but it’s one of those natural attributes like a strong chin, and hard hands. Some folks just have it. And some don’t. Fury does. Wilder doesn’t. And Wilder isn’t a great boxer, so he was never going to win in a boxing match. His best bet was to try to take Fury out early. That was obviously the strategy and once the fight got past midway it was only ever going to end in a Fury victory.

I think you're way off about those natural attributes. If stamina chin and power couldn't be taught why would you even bother training? You can improve stamina by losing weight (both fat and muscle) or simply finding a better running regime, Wilder of course famously stated he doesn't run at all. You can improve your chin by strengthening neck and jaw muscles or more importantly raising your awareness levels and the number of different ways to improve punching power is even bigger than that. Biggest myth ever that you can't improve on that.

Wilder knocked Fury down in the last round in the first fight, he came from behind in both fights vs Ortiz to win late, again someone who's also a better boxer than Wilder. If his strategy was simply to blitz him early it was a dumb call, his best three performances (Ortiz twice and Fury 1) have all come with him weighing below 220lbs. He comes in at 230 in the second fight and 240 yesterday and looks laboured after a couple rounds and hesitates to let his hands go. Should've stuck to the formula that got him to the top from the start although even then I don't think he would have had more than a puncher's chance vs Fury.

jones

Damn

JazzG

Great fight from Fury, great trilogy between the two but Fury has shown he's on another level.

Would love to see Fury against Usyk, the Joshua fight is the big money fight but I have doubts whether Joshua could beat Wilder let alone Fury.

Bryant

that one punch power, you can hear the sound of that punch

JazzG

Reckon Usyk has won that, much improved by Joshua. Joshua with a much better game plan but he was only gonna win this fight by knockout and wasn’t able to get him. Rocked him in round 9 but wasn’t able to land any more big blows.

JazzG

How the fuck has one judge got Joshua winning that 😆

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