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The Champions' League Final 2011

Tony Montana

Ricky1985 wrote:
Well we did score, and we would have scored again if it was Eto'o, or some other top striker, we had up front and not Nicklas fucking Bendtner. The fine margins, Cal.

But we don't have Eto'o or someone in our team. That's the point. Their actual team is better than our actual team and their actual team played better than us in that leg overall.

Bendtner could have finished that chance off. I've seen him score some great goals. He just bottled it under pressure.

Klaus

Tony Montana wrote:
Ricky1985 wrote:
Well we did score, and we would have scored again if it was Eto'o, or some other top striker, we had up front and not Nicklas fucking Bendtner. The fine margins, Cal.

But we don't have Eto'o or someone in our team.

We do, but he got sent off in that game for taking a shot at goal. That's why we had to rely on that useless fucking spanner in the first place.

Qwiss

Caligula wrote:
They were much better than us for three halves of football. I remember people on this forum suggesting it was our plan to play deep against them, but even Wenger came out to say we hadn't planned to be pinned back that badly. The ridiculous van Persie decision just distracts people from the fact that we were played right off the park that day.

Is that what counts now? Because you don't seem to have that attitude when we play teams off the park but fail. I thought it was goals that count and we had that tie won until the ref fucked us over no matter how much possession Barca had.

People will talk about how great this Barca team are but all I can keep thinking is they wouldn't even be there if not for that utterly ridiculous decision.

Tony Montana

y va marquer wrote:
United were well and truly exposed for being the mediocre bunch that they are.
Last night reminded me again just how much we threw it all away this season.

Not really.

Everyone knows or should know that if a team is to be exposed it will be in a league campaign. Because a league campaign consists of 38 games against 19 different teams played home and away in different weather conditions and environments. It is the true/proper test of character. Losing one game doesn't mean a team is 'exposed'. It is Chelsea and Arsenal who have been exposed for being mediocre relative to what they had to be to win a trophy. We threw it away and we were exposed.

If United are mediocre it would have showed over the course of a season. How could they win a league title and get to a CL final by being mediocre?

I know what you mean, this United team is not the best one we've seen and standards this season haven't been as good as last season or the season before. But that's as far as it goes.

Barca were just imperious on the day and are the best team in Europe. United come a distant second. Simple.

Tony Montana

qs! wrote:
Caligula wrote:
They were much better than us for three halves of football. I remember people on this forum suggesting it was our plan to play deep against them, but even Wenger came out to say we hadn't planned to be pinned back that badly. The ridiculous van Persie decision just distracts people from the fact that we were played right off the park that day.

Is that what counts now? Because you don't seem to have that attitude when we play teams off the park but fail. I thought it was goals that count and we had that tie won until the ref fucked us over no matter how much possession Barca had.

People will talk about how great this Barca team are but all I can keep thinking is they wouldn't even be there if not for that utterly ridiculous decision.

We don't know that. They could have scored anyway. Not against the realm of possibility by any stretch of the imagination.

They do need help from the refs a lot of the time though. Chelsea 09, Arsenal and Madrid 2011.

kamikaze

Burnwinter wrote:
Good result which only serves to confirm what empirical observation had previously suggested - that this latest incarnation of United is mediocre, appallingly thin through the midfield and no better than we are. Hope this puts their season back in some sort of healthy perspective.

you're right, but being even more crap than a crap team doesn't really make me feel much better.

kamikaze

otfgoon wrote:
Tim wrote:
Best team I've ever seen.

Same. I really don't understand why some find that opinion to be so outrageous or infuriating.

i don't get why you find it so hard to believe that someone can concede they're an amazing team, yet still be bored by how they play?

i'm certainly not going to sit here jacking off to all the barca encomia after all the disrespect they've shown against us. pulling that fabregas crap again (at our own facilities!). their manager saying they've loads of wilsheres in their b team.

kamikaze

Tony Montana wrote:
Also just out of interest, but what has Iniesta's and Xavi's latin background got to do with their ugliness? I'm genuinely intrigued to hear your logic.

trolls don't actually exist. xavi and iniesta look latin because they are of latin background. they are not chinese, indian, norwegian or kenyan. so they look like what a latin troll might look like if such a thing existed. is that logical enough for you? hope i didn't offend anyone's precious sensibilities. sometimes fat people look like beached whales, too.

Tony Montana

kamikaze wrote:
Tony Montana wrote:
Also just out of interest, but what has Iniesta's and Xavi's latin background got to do with their ugliness? I'm genuinely intrigued to hear your logic.

trolls don't actually exist. xavi and iniesta look latin because they are of latin background. they are not chinese, indian, norwegian or kenyan. so they look like what a latin troll might look like if such a thing existed. is that logical enough for you? hope i didn't offend anyone's precious sensibilities. sometimes fat people look like beached whales, too.

You didn't offend me.

And i didn't ask why Xavi and Iniesta look Latin. But yeah that's logical enough for me.

goon

kamikaze wrote:
otfgoon wrote:
Same. I really don't understand why some find that opinion to be so outrageous or infuriating.

i don't get why you find it so hard to believe that someone can concede they're an amazing team, yet still be bored by how they play?

Eh? Where did you get that from?

i'm certainly not going to sit here jacking off

You're missing out.

Mirth

Messi is awesome. Don't care for Barcelona the club but the team that they've built is immense. Weird how they've managed to win all that they have with such a rubbish bench.

lorddulaarsenal

I'd imagine barca will be in the market for a centreback this summer

kamikaze

it's an area of weakness, and they won't rest on their laurels.

oftgoon, whatever you say. barca sucks, i hope all their players get polio.

asajoseph

I don't think they actually have any particularly great centrebacks.

Pique is superb in possession, for a CB he's sensational, but as an out-and-out defender he ain't that good.

It's just the putting pressure on their back 4 is a hell of a lot easier said than done.

Captain

General Mirth wrote:
Messi is awesome. Don't care for Barcelona the club but the team that they've built is immense. Weird how they've managed to win all that they have with such a rubbish bench.

Their bench is what has cost them a large chunk of the 200 odd million they have spent since Guardiola took over.

Claudius

Ibrahimovic, David Villa and Maschearno account for 60% of that 200million. Ibra is on loan, David Villa is a starter, and Mascherano is probably their 12th man, and has done a good job as stand-in at both CM and DM this season. Barca have done a great job of developing a philosophy and filling out the best possible starting line-up around that philosophy.

We need to ask ourselves: what is our philosophy, and who do we need on the team to make it bear fruit. This, rather than filling the team with 5 or 6 pass-pass midgets, will put us on a path for success.

Captain

The exact figure is something like £250m and those guys account for maybe 100m of it. Add Alves and you come to around 50%.

The other £125m has gone on no marks like Hleb, Chygrynskiy, Carceres, Henrique and the list goes on...

Claudius

Chygrynksiy was one expensive flop.

Gazza M

asajoseph wrote:
I don't think they actually have any particularly great centrebacks.

Pique is superb in possession, for a CB he's sensational, but as an out-and-out defender he ain't that good.

It's just the putting pressure on their back 4 is a hell of a lot easier said than done.

Agree. If you pressure their back four, they spaz out just as badly as our defenders do. Teams just never have the ball enough to make it happen, though.

Mirth

Five Barcelona players tried to get Scholes' shirt after the game.

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