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World Cup 2026

Gazza M

does the mbappe generation top the zizou generation if they win this world cup?

Mirth

Gazza M Yes - if that happens it’ll be 2 wins & 1 runners up medal. That’s nearing Brazil levels of consistency

Gazza M

Mirth and they probably have another 2 world cup runs in them. spooky

Lukazan

Spain haven't conceded a goal.

Wrighty - "Yeah, cause they haven't played France."

JazzG

Lukazan Spain haven't conceded a goal.

Saw a quote by Wenger saying he thinks Spain are the team he thinks could be France's biggest problem.

Mirth

JazzG yep, possession football is what you need to beat this French side. France v Spain is the real final.

JazzG

JazzG Saw a quote by Wenger saying he thinks Spain are the team he thinks could be France's biggest problem.

Arsene knows.....Spain put on an absolute clinic today on and off the ball

JazzG Saw someone say they think France are peaking too early, teams who start the cup so brightly usually get found out later on!

Turns out that person was right!

Sicario2

Mirth France Spain would be the biggest bore fest ever. 0-0 then pens.

Mirth

Sicario2 yep, will be a dull game like most Spanish games are. That slow tempo is what would frustrate France though.

Sicario2

Mirth yep, Messi or Mbappe. The golden boot race is a great sub-plot to this World Cup.

invisibleman18

Lol Quansah suspended for 2 games. I guess they passed Balogun's ban onto the next red card.

awooga83

invisibleman18 was a pretty bad challenge unfortunately.

banduan

invisibleman18 just in time to get another red in the final

JazzG

invisibleman18 Keir Starmer made the call and they doubled the ban....

Qwiss

Tam I've never seen any stats on the stutter, that was just my speculation on the way players think now. I know the long pause before starting the run that Saka and others do before a penalty is proven statistically to be beneficial. I just guessed they had some evidence on the stutter too as so many are doing it. I still prefer if they just smash the bloody thing.

invisibleman18 disgraceful that the officials are favouring England like that.

awooga83

JazzG doesn't have the corruption credentials of Trump unfortunately for England 😀 as I said though was a stupid tackle his leg was ridiculously high and I think it's a reasonable outcome.

Panda

Congrats to France 👏🏼 I expect Mbappe and co will find a way past Spain as well.

FEBravo

Qwiss I think that's right. The whole point it seems to me is to force the keeper to make a move and wait until the very last second. But it seems the keepers are now delaying (other than Raya) and therefore you have to be super accurate which is hard without any steps left. If the keepers wait longer to react you can smash it past them even if it's not perfect and they go the right way.

USArsenal

I dont need prepared stats to know what i have seen. More penalties have been missed/saved because of using that nonsense stutter bullshit than when a player just picks a spot and smashes it. Most of the time (but not ALL the time), if they miss because of smashing it, they blaze it over (and this is mostly done by defenders, it feels like). We've seen penalty shootout saves/misses because of the stutter, we've seen penalties in regular time saved/missed because of the stutter. Hell, even Kane missed a pen while stuttering and luckily got to retake it and then smashed it in the goal without the stutter the second time. Mbappe missed with a stutter. Messi missed with a stutter. Bruno G missed with a stutter.

Edit - apparently they did prepare stats for the stutter conversion rate v non-stutter

43% of the stutter pens have been missed. 32% of the non-stutter pens have been missed. This does NOT include penalty shootouts.

Klaus

The only commonly accepted statistic I'm aware of when it comes to penalties is that there's a much better likelihood to score when you put it high than when you put it low.

It's also a fact though that none of the best penalty takers have been stutterers. Usually people with unconventional technique can be very effective, like Chiesa (the older), but I've never seen a stutterer who looked like they had a clue what they were doing. Whenever I see someone doing that run-up I think to myself that the guy has already put himself at a disadvantage mentally, because no one who's confident of smashing it would ever take a penalty that way. When established penalty takers like Kane and Mbappe break their pattern and stutter I feel it's because the moment has gotten to them and their confidence is low, and sure enough they usually end up missing.

awooga83

Klaus I think they must believe it have been provided some data that it can be successful. I have no idea what makes them decide to do it or whether they think varying their penalties might create more favourable uncertainty for future pens. But they've all executed them so poorly or clearly doesn't fit their established technique so no idea why you want to add that variation in.

Klaus

awooga83 Like I said I've only ever seen two kinds of stutterers: 1) the kind who are not very good at penalties anyway, and 2) the ones who lose confidence in the moment that they can take it in a better way.

My guess is that if you're shit at penalties (and shooting in general) anyway it probably doesn't matter much, because you're unlikely to score in a shootout. Maybe it adds a small element of unpredictability to those guys? If you're Harry Kane or Mbappe you should be ashamed though.

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