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Noni Madueke

Qwiss

Why wasn't he used today? Did pretty well in the cup game, bagged a good goal and yet today he can't get onto the pitch when we are behind? What does it say about his status in the squad That Dowman gets on ahead of him?

awooga83

Qwiss I think Noni and Gyokores are probably on Arteta's list that and may end up going at some point.

Gazza M

Qwiss arteta bugs me sometimes. this was one time where we struggled to stretch the game and could have played long balls behind for someone like noni to chase, and he doesnt get any minutes at all.

Gunner89

Qwiss that he should have been sold in the summer, ideally in the rogers deal, like what chelsea did with a worse player

JazzG

Qwiss Should have been used on the left, quite clear Tzolis not the right type of player for this game.

Qwiss

awooga83 that shouldn't really matter. He kept them this summer and they're important parts of the squad. He bought both of them last summer too, its not like we're in an Ozil, Lacazette, etc situation.

awooga83

Qwiss it shouldn't matter, but everything I've seen of Arteta so far he's very bad at using players he's started to view like that. It's a total weakness of his.

Claudius

awooga83 what would expensive players like Nunes, Kovacic, Laporte, Grealish, Cancelo and Phillips say about Pep? What’s the difference?

Tam

Claudius What difference does it make?

I don't actually fully buy in to the argument that Arteta has shunned certain players; there are too many factors and it's too early to say. But even if he does, the point here is not that it is a problem unique to Arteta and his management style. What Guardiola did, and the views of his players, is irrelevant.

awooga83

Tam agree it's early but we should have been rotating anyway. 3-0 up against Coventry just bring Gyokores get havertz some rest.. Things like that suggest to me he stubbornly sticks to almost the same 11 and only when forced with injury or really disastrous outcomes tries to change it. He's nowhere near proactive enough.

I read on the Arseblog yesterday that in his post game comments Arteta said he could see something was wrong with the team 5 minutes in. Now maybe he's trying to be clever after the fact but if you believe him then why is he not looking to change things sooner rather then just leave it and does he sometimes give to much benefit if the doubt to his core team in a way he wouldn't for those outside.

Either way saying you can see something is wrong within 5 minutes and doing nothing about it is not good management.

Segway

awooga83 Maybe he believed the players would figure it out themselves.

awooga83

Segway well I think that's poor management and I don't think he applies the same generosity to some of those not in his full trust group. Plus if you give him the benefit of that mindset if you see no improvement after 15 minutes you surely have to intervene, your not just a spectator.

Tam

Segway Someone who's never watched football could watch Arteta for one minute and immediately understand he's not the type for letting players figure it out for themselves.

Segway

OK, so he willfully self-sabotaged. Got it.

awooga83

Segway or it was a failure and something he has demonstrated before as an area he needs to improve. When the game/system doesn't go exactly as he hopped he usher struggles to be team to course correct or change things in a meaningful way

Segway

awooga83 Agree that he sometimes struggles with changing games from the bench but that is different from saying that he just did nothing. That makes no sense unless he gave the players agency to do that themselves.

Claudius

awooga83 didn’t we have the most G/A from subs last year? And we had a lot of tight games. So he does that tie up with what you’re saying?

awooga83

Segway I'm saying he did nothing based on his quote that he saw it was not working but he did not change anything. If I take what he says at face value. If that's the case and we struggled why didn't he change it that to me is doing nothing in this instance.

awooga83

Claudius when the game has gone against us I'm thinking United, Bournemouth, City those types of matches we rarely turn around..

lorddulaarsenal

Play this cat on the left

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

lorddulaarsenal we have so few alternatives and Eze has stunk it up this season, so yes.

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