Why is this abomination of a thread still in The Arsenal section??!
Nasri
Arsenal received just over £72m from the sales of Adebayor, Nasri, Clichy & Toure to Man City. Combined apps = 115 games
What´s your point? You think we are a better team for it? How has that money benefitted our senior squad?
Yes, we're a better team for not having Nasri, Adebayor, Clichy and Toure.
Or put it this way, I wouldn't want any of them back.
General Mirth wrote:I'm incline to agree with Captain. Fabregas doesn't strike me as a 20 goal-20 assist type player that Wenger sees him to be. I much preferred his role during 2006-2008.
Shows what I know. 
General Mirth wrote:Yes, we're a better team for not having Nasri, Adebayor, Clichy and Toure.
Or put it this way, I wouldn't want any of them back.
All those players would strengthen our squad. My point was basically that although we made a lot of money off those transfers, we haven´t really used said money to strengthen the squad sufficiently.
Nasri hasn´t been replaced as of yet, and neither has Adebayor really. IMO Clichy is also a better FB than either of Santos and Gibbs.
Nasri is better than Gervinho or Walcott.
Adebayor isn't better than Van Persie, but he'd be an excellent squad option.
We´d all kill for an Adebayor instead of Chamakh. Note that I wrote "an Adebayor"...
Adebayor and Nasri have the sort of attitude that stunk the place up and contributed to the inevitable capitulations we see at the end of the season. And apart from six months last season, Nasri's contribution in terms of deciding games is on par with what Gervinho and Walcott manage these days. We failed miserably in replacing those players but selling them off is no great loss. And if you're going to sell a player, you might as well fleece the buyer. I'd take Clichy back but only because we've not seen as much of Santos to decide one way or another.
Humble Rex wrote:We´d all kill for an Adebayor instead of Chamakh. Note that I wrote "an Adebayor"...
In other words, a completely different player. My point exactly.
That lot down the road seem to do ok with both Ade and Gallas, two players apparently good at stinking places up.
The reality is that Ade is a good player. Had the Man City incident last year not happened there would be lots of fans wanting him back right now.
Humble Rex wrote:That lot down the road seem to do ok both Ade and Gallas, two players apparently good at stinking places up.
The reality is that Ade is a good player. Had the Man City incident last year not happened there would be lots of fans wanting him back right now.
They're good players, my remark was more to do with their incredibly awful attitudes. Yes, Adebayor is doing well for Spurs but this after a few years being carted about as a complete waste of space. He's got something to prove now and, for his sake, he'll keep it up.
Gallas I'd probably take him as third choice - which is role he occupies for Spurs anyway.
And people were fed up with Adebayor before the Man City incident, which tbh I didn't mind all that much, his entire contribution during the 08/09 season and a certain game at Old Trafford while comparing Milan to Beyonce the summer before was what set sparks off.
That performance in the Champions League at Old Trafford was a disgrace. I was always a huge fan of Ade's (still don't mind him that much), but it was obvious he needed to go after that match.
Nasri can fuck off.
They can both fuck off. They are only being discussed because it was pointed out how much money we have had from City. I then merely stated that the money from those sales was never really invested in strengthening the squad. And it wasn't. We would have been a stronger side having kept the players.
adebayor tbf was never good enough to be a starter he was massively overated after that 30 goal one off season of which most were tap ins and penalties. at best he could have become like kanu a super sub but with his ego it would just ruin the team anyway. Nasri similarly was overated after a couple of good months and clichy had too many mistakes in his defensive game and wasnt that great going forward either. Toure is the only one i would have kept but even he was in decline.
Humble Rex wrote:They can both fuck off. They are only being discussed because it was pointed out how much money we have had from City. I then merely stated that the money from those sales was never really invested in strengthening the squad. And it wasn't. We would have been a stronger side having kept the players.
We'd be where we are now. While those players were at the club we still alternated between struggling for fourth and chasing the title only to collapse in Feburary.
Feel Nasri would have been much better at Utd, Adebayor is massively underrated on here, I would have him over Dzeko for example.
When Ade was a forward here we already had RVP. Ade shits all over both Park and Chamakh. Ergo - we are weaker at CF.
We bought Gervinho while both Theo and Nasri were here. IMO Nasri is better than all our wingers and wasn´t really replaced. Ergo - we are weaker at WF.
Clichy IMO is better than both Santos and Gibbs. Ergo - we are weaker at LB.
Toure when he left was not the best CB, but he was still Arsenal through and through and ALWAYS played with heart and desire. I would have loved to have kept him, although at this point he probably wouldn´t have been better than 4th choice.
Don't miss Toure and Clichy at all. I'd have both Nasri and someone of Adebayor's level in a heartbeat
At the end of the day Nasri will have his fat pay check and might just pick up a league medal come May. I doubt he's bothered.
He's such a little crawler.
He was tweeting his "thanks for the support" message to the City fans after the game.
He should have been apologising for his ghostlike presence on the pitch.
Gazza M wrote:Don't miss Toure and Clichy at all. I'd have both Nasri and someone of Adebayor's level in a heartbeat
Wenger's great strength is to almost replace like for like at minimal cost.
Unfortunately like for like is not good enough anymore, inflation has overtaken us, we need a massive injection of talent to lift us to the next level.
You say that, but he managed to bring Koscielny and Vermaelen in for less than 20M. Arteta is another, as is Sagna, as is Santos, as is Van Persie, albeit not recently in the latter player's case. Bargains are out there, as evidenced by the above.
I'll definitely concede that these bargains holgraterrr repercussions than they once did, due to the inflation. A 10M Vermaelen today, may have cost half the price 10 years ago. However, he's still pulling bargains out of the hat.
Biggus wrote:Gazza M wrote:Don't miss Toure and Clichy at all. I'd have both Nasri and someone of Adebayor's level in a heartbeat
Wenger's great strength is to almost replace like for like at minimal cost.
Unfortunately like for like is not good enough anymore, inflation has overtaken us, we need a massive injection of talent to lift us to the next level.
He never replaced Adebayor or Eduardo with equivalent quality though. It might be a minimum requirement but it still hasn't been met. What happened to the manager who brought us the likes of Anelka, Henry, RVP and even Kanu, Wiltord, Adebayor, etc Now we've Park and Chamakh, these guys are Aliadiere level.
We still have van Persie.
was watching 00/01 season review (don't ask me why) and even in a season where we won nothing, wenger had wiltord, henry, bergkamp, and kanu all in their mid 20s/early 30s. he then signed jeffers the following season because we were so wasetful in front of goal. ok, it didn't work out, but he's just not as willing to speculate anymore. probably because dein isn't around to curb his conservatism.
we need someone like dein to hand wenger his balls back. you can't win trophies when your ballbag is empty.
qs! wrote:Biggus wrote:Wenger's great strength is to almost replace like for like at minimal cost.
Unfortunately like for like is not good enough anymore, inflation has overtaken us, we need a massive injection of talent to lift us to the next level.He never replaced Adebayor or Eduardo with equivalent quality though. It might be a minimum requirement but it still hasn't been met. What happened to the manager who brought us the likes of Anelka, Henry, RVP and even Kanu, Wiltord, Adebayor, etc Now we've Park and Chamakh, these guys are Aliadiere level.
Yes you're quite right, i I really meant to say that Wengers strength was to replace like for like.
I said somewhere else that the old Wenger has gone and therefore no longer deserving of our support.
Felt like running over to the emirates and smacking the little fucker when I saw him sitting in the stands yesterday.
He is quite versatile though, bench in Manchester, seat in London and soon on the bench for the national team as well.
General Mirth wrote:He is quite versatile though, bench in Manchester, seat in London and soon on the bench for the national team as well.
He's developing callouses in the wrong places...
Rubbish again
with silva out he's going to have to carry them creatively. they're fucked
time for nasri to win that ballon d'or!
Funny sounding scouse accents.
Oh that scouse wit, "you should have stayed at Arsenal at least you'd still be in the CL."
Breaking the speed limit, I hope they send a copy to the police.
Domenech is a nut, and at the time I thought he was idiotic to drop Nasri from the French WC squad.
However..... now that Nasri has shown his true colours I'm well happy to read what Domenech said about him recently.
"Nasri needs to talk less and play more.
He needs to be focused on his work to show he can be a big player
"For me, he has talent but is irregular and for a big club it's not positive.
"Nasri is always in discussions and is interested in excessive individualism.
To triumph it's necessary to believe more in your team mates and the team.
I wasn't sure what to think at the time we sold him but I'm glad he's not here now.
Crying shame that Wenger never bothered to replace him with a player who could give us what Nasri did offer us when he was on top of his game.
5 months later
So apparantly he could be facing a lengthy ban from the French team, and all his teammates hate him according to Julien Laurens.
Thank God he fucked off to City and we didn't build a team around him in 'the Fabregas role' like so many wanted. French journos rightlighy criticized him for holding on to the ball for too long and breaking down attacks with his ballhogging, as he has always done.
As I said in the RvP thread, if he goes it will seem like a end of an era, a painful and disastrous one 2005-2012.
I have been an Arsenal fan for over 40 years but I have never hated our players except for the despicable bunch of rotters who infested the club in this period.
Sure, theres more money thrown about and a lot more coverage of the game now and we know the gossip even before the general public but those players were a real disgrace.
It wasn't the manner of their transfer, many others like Henry Pires Clichy and Toure left with my blessing and best wishes but I'm ashamed the following players ever played for us-
Gallas
Silvestre
Adebayor
Fabregas
Nasri.
Hopefully now we can have some really likable players that we can be proud of.