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Arsenal Outs 2024

Clrnc

We need immediate cash. Loan with option does us absolutely zero favours.

goon

Don’t think it would be bad if they did pull out, might open up more lucrative options in the PL.

Burnwinter

Doing the rounds that Marseille never actually offered €27m. If it's true they offered €20m or some naf loan to buy scheme, it's actually nowhere good enough. We'll get that amount. All we have to do is not sell him to Spurs.

USArsenal

Burnwinter i dont think Eddie would go there anyway (Spurs). He knows the backlash he'd get from that

RocktheCasbah

Would people care that much? I was thinking about Eddie leaving the other day and how, despite the fact he'd likely get the same tribute from the club as Emile, I don't think any of us feel anywhere near the same emotional connection to him as we do Emile. But I might be way off.

DiabyKungFu

RocktheCasbah I don't think any of us feel anywhere near the same emotional connection to him as we do Emile

I think Nketiah has done much more for this club than Smith-Rowe has and I'm pretty baffled by the nostalgia around Smith-Rowe. By the time the team was even remotely worth a shit whatsoever (with hindsight, this would be the December 11, 2021 game against Southampton), Smith-Rowe was already coming off the bench never to return as a regular starter again.

For whatever reason, it's clear that people feel better about being mediocre on a shit team than being a little above mediocre on a great team.

RocktheCasbah

DiabyKungFu well, I did say I might be wrong in that regard.

For what it's worth though, I'm pretty sure that Smith Rowe finished the 2021-22 season in double figures as one of our top scorers and was very much still part of the first team group.*

And I think there's a world of difference between "mediocre" and not quite being good enough to get a chance to play in a 90 point Premier League team.

*I just looked it up, he was also shortlisted for PFA Young Player of the Season and PFA Young Player of the Year awards.

RocktheCasbah

DiabyKungFu I think Nketiah has done much more for this club than Smith-Rowe has and I'm pretty baffled by the nostalgia around Smith-Rowe

On this specific point, you can think what you want - it is a free country after all - but you must have forgotten how bad things were Christmas 2020 and how it was Smith Rowe coming into the team that actually got us playing football again. He helped save Arteta's job.

The best thing you can say about Eddie is that after the months of watching Lacazette bumbling around the pitch, Eddie showed Arteta the importance of having a striker who could move.

Mirth

That’s definitely a hot take

DiabyKungFu

RocktheCasbah I'm pretty sure that Smith Rowe finished the 2021-22 season in double figures as one of our top scorers

Yes. He hit a big finishing heater. I don't deny that.

RocktheCasbah was very much still part of the first team group.

He was, but as the first guy off the bench. From the Southampton game forward, he started 8 of 23 PL games.

RocktheCasbah And I think there's a world of difference between "mediocre" and not quite being good enough to get a chance to play in a 90 point Premier League team.

I agree but I don't say mediocre lightly.
I think this could be very accurately condensed down to "mediocre".

RocktheCasbah Smith Rowe coming into the team that actually got us playing football again.

He did not get us playing football again. That 20-21 team still sucked. We experienced a dead cat bounce in the second half of the season, but I didn't think anything of it whatsoever in the moment. The team still wasn't worth a shit at all.

RocktheCasbah He helped save Arteta's job.

I think people generally wanted it to be the case that Arteta's job was in trouble due to how bad we were sucking. All of the reporting at the time, though, was that the Kroenke's were in love with Arteta and his job wasn't in any danger at all.

RocktheCasbah

DiabyKungFu He did not get us playing football again. That 20-21 team still sucked. We experienced a dead cat bounce in the second half of the season, but I didn't think anything of it whatsoever in the moment.

If you've forgotten the pain of losing to at home to some dead beat club from the Midlands what seemed like every autumn Sunday night in 2020, I don't blame you. But our upturn in fortunes came at the exact moment Emile was parachuted into the team, we may still have been crap (I think you're being a bit harsh, but in the context of where we are now, I get it) but we looked like we could play again. Do you remember the boxing day Chelsea game?

DiabyKungFu

Compare that radar to Nketiah's radar:

This isn't the most awe-inspiring thing in the world but the relative way these two are treated is ridiculous to me.

Big Willie

DiabyKungFu Compare that radar to Nketiah's radar:

That graphic does not compare stats at all. Each has different stats on both the graphics. One is stats for a forward the other a midfielder. As a 10, ESR is probably closer to a forward than a midfielder, so scoring him as a midfielder wouldn't really show his strengths.

Claudius

DiabyKungFu 100% agree.
ESR scored his last goal for us 3 years ago. Yet you’d think we just sold Gabriel. We aren’t going to miss him. Make space for other players and move on. This is healthy team building.

DiabyKungFu

RocktheCasbah But our upturn in fortunes came at the exact moment Emile was parachuted into the team

I think the real upturn of fortunes came during the aforementioned Southampton game which was the exact moment Gabriel Martinelli was parachuted into the team (in a permanent way). A lot of this boils down to whether or not one has nostalgia for 2020-21. I don't, really. Others do. By the time the team became good enough for me to become unblackpilled, Smith-Rowe was already a sideman.

lorddulaarsenal

DiabyKungFu some of us are still blackpilled

RocktheCasbah

I doubt you'll find anyone feeling nostalgic for 20-21 - on that much, we can agree.

RocktheCasbah

I was at that Southampton game, by the way. It's interesting you cite that as the beginning of what we have now, cos we were absolute shit for half an hour -and then we scored the goal of the season. 😁

DiabyKungFu

lorddulaarsenal some of us are still blackpilled

We've got Super Mik Arteta. He knows exactly what we need.

lorddulaarsenal

Coldest can in the fridge mate

RocktheCasbah

Claudius I don't think it's that abnormal for us as fans to be sad about someone who came through the ranks, made it into the first team, made an impression and has ultimately been left behind due to fitness/quality/both leaving the club.. You're right, it's totally healthy squad building, but a lot of Arsenal fans were very invested in Emile. That doesn't just end in the space of a few days.

One of the joys of fandom is that it allows you to be sentimental, leave the hard headed stuff to the management.

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