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Arsenal Outs 2024

flobaba

So sentimental the lot of you. 🙂

Claudius

When Smith got the 10 shirt, I expected a long career here, but fortune is fickle. He’s managed 700 minutes and 2 assists in 2 seasons. In contrasts, Vieira who is inconsistent and always injured has managed 1,900 goals and 12 G/A in the same time period.
If you’re not playing and producing, and you’re entering your prime, you should go somewhere else and rebuild your career. I hope he gets his mojo soon. There are specific things I liked about him - he likes going forward, he’s very two footed, likes to shoot early. Good attributes that will translate well at Fulham

Burnwinter

Claudius In contrasts, Vieira who is inconsistent and always injured has managed 1,900 goals

You may want to find another football stats blog Claude ...

invisibleman18

RocktheCasbah this for me too. This one hurts. Debatable whether he got a fair chance last season but it is what it is. Can only wish him well.

Claudius

Burnwinter lol. Obviously minutes. But you get the point. I like Smith Rowe but you can’t miss what you don’t have. I would rather move him on and integrate both Nwaneri and MLS who seem exceptional.
And, yes, guys like Vieira, Partey, Zinchenko need to pay attention. This isn’t the Conrad Maldives.

Burnwinter

Obviously it's tough that Smith Rowe is leaving but I'm gonna celebrate it relative to the irritation of him getting so few chances. I wouldn't mind at all if his form and progress at Fulham raised a few questions about how we've managed him.

Qwiss

I really hope this departure ends up being worth it and Nwaneri, MLS, etc see some benefit from it. It'd be very frustrating if Emile goes and we just see more minutes of Partey and Vieira as a result.

Claudius

Qwiss you know I’m not a big advocate of just playing kids, especially as a top 2 team. But when you watch kids this good, you get the confidence that they’ll just grab their minutes. I expect Nwaneri to sub in a lot and start carling cup. This season’s schedule is brutal.

RocktheCasbah

Qwiss I suppose however you feel about it, you could make the case that if someone hasn't nailed down a role in the squad by the time they're 23-24, they need to make way for the guys behind them who might. The pain of seeing Smith Rowe go may well be salved by seeing Nwaneri blossom this season.

But you're right, given what we all assume to be behind the reasons for Arteta's loss of confidence in Emile, it would be pretty galling to see someone like Partey given a significant role this season.

I do think you're going to see more of Fabio Vieira than you would like though.

Qwiss

RocktheCasbah one of the problems with Vieira is Arteta hasn't had faith in him and shunting him onto the right wing won't fix that. Vieira is very slightly older than Emile too. Neither have been well served in recent years and we probably shouldn't have had both of them as neither really got the minutes they should. At this point it feels like Vieira has missed his shot and now it's inevitable he won't really make it here.

goon

First time I’ve been sad about a player leaving in forever.

Claudius

goon since Gallas?

RocktheCasbah

goon top 5 Arsenal break ups, in chronological order - go! (I'll start)

1) David Rocastle - 1992. Will never forget where I was when I found out we were selling him, or how horrible it felt. I felt largely the same yesterday (albeit without the shock factor).

2) Ian Wright - 1998. Think this was inevitable really, given his age & Nicolas Anelka, but still a very painful one, I mean this was Ian Wright Wright Wright!

3) Patrick Vieira - 2005. Okay, he'd been flirting for years, his powers may have been on the wane but he was still the captain, our captain, my captain.

4) Santi Cazorla - 2018. I bow to no man in my love for the little Spaniard and it still grieves me that his Arsenal career ended in an endless cycle of rehabilitation. He deserved so much more.

5) Emile Smith Rowe. 😭😭😭😭😭

Claudius

RocktheCasbah thanks for sharing that. For me has to be.
1) Vieira. - we were at our height at selling our rock
2) Fabregas - the heir to Vieira. Fabregas is still the best post invincibles player we’ve had. How everything worked out with him hurts
3) Cole - top of his game. For £60,000 a year. And the man almost crashed his car. When you have such a superlative talent, you don’t give him up over a £60,000 difference
4) Anelka - I was early into my Arsenal watching days, but my word, this boy excited me.
5) Overmars - such an electric player and tough to see him go. But I guess the timing was fortuitous because he got injured even in that first game against us iirc.

From this current group - Odegaard, Saka and Saliba would hurt.

Qwiss

RocktheCasbah Henry. Found out he was officially leaving the morning after a mates stag weekend when I was already a broken man.

The Cashley one was tough but at the time I thought Gallas was a great swap. How wrong I was.

lorddulaarsenal

Notable departures which irked me. Lass Diarra, Hleb, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Petit and Overmars

Clrnc

lorddulaarsenal Oxlade contact has been terminated by Besiktas. He's a free agent now we can get him back if he wants.

He was linked to a move to BG Pathum previously and also some Australian club

RocktheCasbah

Claudius 2) Fabregas - the heir to Vieira. Fabregas is still the best post invincibles player we’ve had. How everything worked out with him hurts
3) Cole - top of his game. For £60,000 a year. And the man almost crashed his car. When you have such a superlative talent, you don’t give him up over a £60,000 difference
4) Anelka - I was early into my Arsenal watching days, but my word, this boy excited me.

Fabregas was horrible, but by the time it happened the drip drip drip of the Spanish media had done its job and I'd accepted it was going to happen.

And the same with Anelka. I had a slightly different perspective on that one as I was living in Bilbao during the 98-99 season so got a front row seat for the Spanish media, Marca mainly iirc, and their campaigning for Anelka to sign for Madrid. Every fucking day it felt like he was on their front page.

I guess we replaced him pretty well!

Ashley Cole was very close to getting in my top 5 - the guy should have been our next captain.

I actually remember going to bed the night of the deadline and the deal to go to Chelsea hadn't been finalised. I genuinely went to BBC Sport as soon as I woke up in the morning, hoping the deal hadn't gone through. Obviously, I was quite disappointed.

samthegooner

Claudius for me, it’s definitely:

Vieira - grew up with him, Henry and Bergkamp as my north stars and then he was gone at the peak of his powers.
Cole - he was the guy I identified most with as a younger fan in the Invincibles era. Felt like I’d grow old with him as a staple in my team and then he stabbed us in the back.
Fabregas/Nasri/RVP - I was most hurt by Fabregas of the group since I liked him the most but understood the Barca pull. Most of all I was upset at the lack of fees for all three players bought in their primes for relative peanuts, strengthening rivals as well.

goon

The likes of Vieira leaving didn’t really make me sad, it’s the ones where you feel like they didn’t finish their journey here.

With that in mind Cesc was definitely one that made me sad. He had the potential to be an all time favorite and threw it all away.

He may well be the last one.

RocktheCasbah

goon that's fair, I guess but Patrick Vieira is - with Wrighty - one of my top 2 Arsenal players of all time so I might be a little biased. 😊

With Cesc, I just always thought - what would I do if I were him? And I wouldn't have done anything different - although I might not have gone on strike... He was too good to be playing for top 4 every season.

USArsenal

There are a few that made me sad (Cesc, Thierry, etc) and there are ones that made me mad (Cole, RvP, Nasri, etc).

Big Willie

Clrnc He's a free agent now we can get him back if he wants.

Only if he wants to be RB... for the reserves.

lorddulaarsenal

Clrnc Ox started like a beast for us and Wenger didn’t seem to use him enough when he was on fire. Remember RvP getting pissed off about it.

Him leaving was annoying not so much because of his talent but because it signalled that at that time we were quite low down the pecking order and not seen as a club with serious ambition

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