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Burnwinter

Bread and circuses. What Trump's re-election tells us is that imperial decline isn't a trajectory you can readily halt from inside the vehicle.

If you've ever wondered why the Romans let Nero fiddle while the city burned, this is more or less the demonstration of the principle. It turns out a great military power on the way down has a very weird momentum about it.

MistaT

Matt Gaetz as Attorney General is the most offensive of all the nominations.

Little fucker has more legal experience from his underage/trafficking case than from his career in law.

Burnwinter

People will go berserk about all these utterly terrible appointments, but it's not as if the system doesn't permit it. Constitutionally things can and probably will get stupider and more reckless from here.

Claudius

I love it. I love that Trump and learned from his previous mistakes. He wants a real MAGA republic. Unhindered. Good for him

Coombs

JazzG probably voted for Trump.

JazzG

Coombs lol there has been that rumour going around.

When you look at them happily sitting together having a jolly time and then a few weeks ago Democrats are comparing Trump to Hitler and calling him a fascist...

Coombs

JazzG it's all in good fun. It's just politics, not real life.

JazzG

Coombs I do think a lot of this politics is a bit of theatre. Families and friends have fallen out of their politics whereas the politicians themselves usually have good relations with each other!

JazzG

Some wild picks by Trump, I am guessing he thinks he can strong arm the Republicans in the Senate to push these through.

banduan

It'd be interesting to see the fallout in 3-4 years when an antivaxxer heads health. At least I guess he might throw a curveball to Big Pharma.

JazzG

banduan It'd be interesting to see the fallout in 3-4 years when an antivaxxer heads health. At least I guess he might throw a curveball to Big Pharma.

I'm a bit mixed on RFK Jr, some of the stuff about vaccines is crazy but he is completely right about all the shit they put in American food. Remember on Reddit a few years back a post comparing UK to US products and was crazy how many extra things they add in.

Similarly the Pharmaceutical companies don't exactly deserve to be treated lightly.

Qwiss

JazzG I remember reading about a load of chemicals and stuff they were allowed to put in food advertised as "Organic" in the US that was outright banned in the EU.

Gazza M

JazzG I'm interested to see if RFK affects enough change to ruffle corporate America and big agricultures feathers, and if trump tells him to stand down as a result. they seem to think he's just going to gut the FDA, but i saw him talking about taking on coca cola about some of their products ingredients. some interesting dynamics at play there

MistaT

Gazza M — be interesting to see what happens to the corn industry if there’s tariffs and RFK/FDA pressure to move away from corn syrup.

And at the end of the day, the chemicals are nasty, but the bigger issue is how much high fructose corn syrup (sugar) is added to all food.

JazzG

Gazza M I'm interested to see if RFK affects enough change to ruffle corporate America and big agricultures feathers, and if trump tells him to stand down as a result. they seem to think he's just going to gut the FDA, but i saw him talking about taking on coca cola about some of their products ingredients. some interesting dynamics at play there

That dynamic will be interesting, Trump is known to flip flop but RFK will be wanting to go hard I think. Maybe they compromise in the middle or it all goes tits up!

Gazza M

RFK is a confounding character. he was the only candidate in the entire cycle to actually criticise 'citizens united' and its corrosive impact on politics, for example. or talking about the fairness doctrine being killed by Reagan, giving rise to profit driven news. it sucks that his support was ultimately for sale to highest bidder. I had hoped he had a bit more integrity than to openly endorse and campaign with trump. given his background in environmental law, I would've been happier if he'd been given a post as head of the EPA rather than the health department. imo he's turning a blind eye to alot of trumps stances on deregulation and concessions for the fossil fuel industry.

JazzG

Supposedly pardoned him for the past 11 years, oddly specific time frame so am guessing they think there was more which could have come out...

Makes a mockery of what the Democrats have been preaching for years now. Though I do get it, if I was in his position I'd have done the same. He waited just before leaving office and when the election was over...

Claudius

JazzG this is how corruption sets in. Trump stretches the boundaries. Others follow. And it’s normalized. We’ve seen it play out many times in various African countries, and it’s a fucking tough road back to undo it. A number of Democrat friends I’ve talked to since this was announced are fully in support - because the other guys would do it. This is how Trump breaks norms and institutions.

mohan

Claudius this is biden pardoning his son. Nothing to do with trump. Democrats are now turning into cartoons. They can only preach.

Kel Varnsen

I'd pardon my kid too without any hesitation.

Mirth

Yep, but a properly functioning system wouldn't put you in that position in the first place.

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