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2024 US Election

jones

Americans aren't ready for democracy. Europeans not much better mind but holy shit this result is farcical

Zero love lost for Harris but Trump basically dribbled all over himself for months chatting the most shit and he's wiping the floor with her

lorddulaarsenal

jones

He took a bullet to the ear,
But showed no fear,
Now it’s becoming clear,
The end of Harris is near
Oh dear.

Burnwinter

jones Zero love lost for Harris but Trump basically dribbled all over himself for months chatting the most shit and he's wiping the floor with her

I've been at a tech conference with a bunch of (Pacific northwest living, blue voting) US citizens to talk to today. As the results come in they're all increasingly and palpably ashamed and embarrassed, set back a long way, checking their phones and having hushed conversations with people back home. If it weren't consequential in shitty ways for a lot of people, it could be a pretty comical spectacle.

Don't get me wrong, I don't categorically dislike this kind of person because I'd be a hypocrite if I did ... it's just the mentality they project is frustrating if you're not living in the same bubble. Food for thought for people like me.

jones

Gazza M loads of Arabs in the US are rednecks and/or Christians who actively hate their bredrin back home. Must be the corrupting influence of the US because anywhere else Christian Arabs stand united with Palestine just like any other Arab

If I tried looking for a silver lining I'd say while Trump hangs of Netanyahu's dick there's a chance they fall out because of American domestic issues or any other reason as Trump is clearly unhinged. With Harris you know it's 100% backing for Israel. She couldn't even in theory discuss Israeli war crimes for longer than ten seconds before pivoting to grocery prices ffs

Burnwinter

jones If I tried looking for a silver lining I'd say while Trump hangs of Netanyahu's dick there's a chance they fall out because of American domestic issues or any other reason as Trump is clearly unhinged. With Harris you know it's 100% backing for Israel.

This is it, Trump is a horrifying prospect but there's an outside chance of the state of affairs getting turned over, and that's gotta be what appeals to some.

Democrats have had 8 years to muster any sort of mass political energy since Trump last won, and instead they've been doing their best to institutionally discipline and extinguish any trace of that.

Daz

Burnwinter There's no real logic to that beyond the undeniable truth that Harris represents yet more of the Democrat, MIC and agency status quo

No direct disrespect intended to our American friends here, but the other clear "logic" here is that a majority of Americans are fucking idiots when it comes to matters of politics.

jones

Burnwinter eventually in the bigger picture the result today doesn't really matter, if your options were Harris and Trump then democracy has failed long before this.

Wish anyone could have foreseen that a system giving people a vote each while giving a couple of morons hundreds of billions to buy said votes could fail.

Gurgen

Unbelievable. A disaster for the world. When will the political centre in the West get its act together? I’m so sick of these populist morons and the people voting for them.

jones

Gurgen "world" is a bit much, most of the world was doomed regardless of today's result. The US could vote a fucking dog into the White House they'd still rain death and destruction on the rest of the planet

Gazza M

wow. historical blow out developing.

the party of the Clintons/obamas got put in a grave tonight. not sure where they go from here other than hoping this term is an epic disaster and people turn on the republicans again in 4 years

Burnwinter

The so-called centre is bereft of both ideas and convictions.

Privatisation of monopoly public goods is inefficient. "Tax relief" in the form of income bracket flattening is regressive redistribution that increases inequality. Non-cooked economists agree social payments, education funding and infrastructure spending are damagingly low in most post-industrial economies. But in politics, anyone who says such things is labelled an extremist by the idiot centre.

Will it eventually be time for the centre to wise up? No wonder it keeps getting beat.

Gurgen

Burnwinter all these things are accepted as facts in most of Europe.

Burnwinter

Gurgen Europe's had longer lived variations of social democracy but Europe has also suffered from pasokification for decades. And for the most part the response from the left (parties only now known as the "centre" in half these countries) has been to double down on managerialism and sensible-ism.

It hasn't worked well and it'd be great for Europe if the centre realised it needs to pick a side at some stage.

Mirth

The upside is that Europe has spent the last 8 year slowly building autonomy away from the US so any impact of a Trump presidency is likely to be muted

Oh wait. The EU/UK political class have done fuck all except sit around and hope they don’t have to make any difficult decisions.

jones

Mirth we've seen the film before - when Trump was president Europe moaned and bitched and followed orders, when it was Biden or Obama they wagged their tail and followed orders.

From a highly cynical perspective discontent in the ranks is probably best for the rest of the planet. If Trump is offensive enough even Europe might learn to emancipate itself at some point

Gazza M

kamala concedes. there goes conspiracy bros wet dream that there would be denialism and riots if democrats lost.

time to double up on crypto shit coins. that space is about to go bananas in the next 12 months 😆

Qwiss

The democrats really only have themselves to blame. They should have pulled Biden way earlier and had primaries. They already knew people didn't like Harris.

Gazza M

Qwiss Biden running on the fumes of the Obama coalition in 2020 without a backup plan or successor was a massive fuck up

@jones youre not wrong. democracy has been teetering precariously thanks to both parties due to corporate capture and this is the end result. an actual oligarch being installed inside the government and people actually voting for it is another brick on the road to outright fascism.

Clrnc

All of those about have certain reasons about it, but why and how did Trump improve his vote share with young Educated adults? Is it because of Crypto?

JazzG

Clrnc All of those about have certain reasons about it, but why and how did Trump improve his vote share with young Educated adults? Is it because of Crypto?

I wonder if it was because people didn’t want more of the same, incumbents all across the western world are getting voted out because people want change.

jones

Gazza M we're already there imo, brown people and women voted in droves for someone who openly declared war on them. Then again the other side is just a little more shy about it. People are fucking idiots and the West is absolutely finished, that's the only thing you can learn from this or any other election

On an unrelated note what shitcoins are you buying.

Mirth

jones be careful what you wish for. Historically speaking, a multi-polar world isn't a pleasant place to be.

JazzG

Looks like Trump is going to win the popular vote as well, doesn’t get more definitive and damning for the Democrats. In hindsight they should have held a short primary, Kamala was a not seen as a good VP so why did they think she’d be able to become President?

They chose the wrong candidate and despite all the celebrity endorsements which haven’t cut through to the electorate I don’t think they really got their message across. A lot of it was about Trump rather than what they will offer. She was part of the Biden administration so was always going to be hard for her to distance herself from the past 4 years.

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