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awooga83

I read that this isn't actually anything new and what Canada had already been indicating they were going to do.

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-safety-canada/news/2024/12/government-of-canada-announces-its-plan-to-strengthen-border-security-and-our-immigration-system.html

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/troops-border-poilievre-1.7449077

The Canadian government has already committed $1.3 billion to bolster the border, including surveillance towers, dozens of drones and two Black Hawk helicopters the RCMP has leased. In December it promised to strengthen 24/7 surveillance of the border to curb the flow of illegal fentanyl and irregular migration south and set up a new joint "strike force" to go after organized crime.

Also from the Mexico deal "Mexico had agreed to send 10,000 members of its national guard “to prevent drug trafficking from Mexico to the US, in particular of fentanyl”, Sheinbaum said. In return, the US had agreed to work to prevent high-powered weapons crossing the border into Mexico"

Although I'm sure trump not shouting about his own comprises no doubt and getting these *deals" which are worthless smoke and mirrors in the scheme of things. Nobody is going to believe him on the tariff stuff going forwards based on these. He's done nothing really but will claim victory even though its pretty much the status quo.

Coombs

awooga83 these *deals" which are worthless smoke and mirrors

Of course they are. As is much of the rest. It just has to seem like white supremacy to be white supremacy, which it always has been. All anyone wanted was to go back to pretending it was a meritocracy, pretending we're the class president, pretending we deserve our unearned status, because all these attempts to shame our great nation just made us feel bad. It sucked. People were mean. It didn't feel fair.

MistaT

JazzG — it’s pretty clear the flow of fentanyl and/or immigrants from Canada isn’t worth getting “things moving quicker”, nor the loss in faith in the US, even if it prompted action.

Fentanyl is nasty business no doubt, and it’s asinine how little it takes to do drastic harm. But the amount coming into the US from Canada is but a drop in the bucket.

All of this grand standing and economic loss could have been directed towards far better routes to decreasing the flow of fentanyl, or better yet decreasing demand.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2025/01/31/tariff-on-canada-not-justified-by-us-immigration-and-drug-claims/

Kel Varnsen

JazzG

Of course it does. Rules based international order is a scam. All that (really) matters is power.

People who have school yard mental models of international relations are morons. "Standing up to bullies" is completely nonsensical in the case of US vs Canada. If Canada "stands up" to the US, they are fucked, while the US barely notices - simply due to the trade to gdp ratio. Canada and Mexico have to let Trump's ego get a few show-off wins, and minimize the damage (lower tariffs, only tariffs on some goods etc).

Same goes for the EU, but for different reasons. EU has the economic power to tackle Trump, but the EU is too divided. The baltics and Poland depend on the US for protection against Russia, so they will fold pretty quickly in any sort of negotiation.

awooga83

Kel Varnsen still the main point trump achieved absolutely nothing these deals were things that were already happening and he's totally shown himself as full of shit and nobody will take it seriously now.

JazzG

Kel Varnsen Same goes for the EU, but for different reasons. EU has the economic power to tackle Trump, but the EU is too divided. The baltics and Poland depend on the US for protection against Russia, so they will fold pretty quickly in any sort of negotiation.

I think one tweet about US pulling out of NATO will get the whole of the EU in line, this is a problem of their own making as they have outsourced their defence and even their energy so they are at risk of being held to ransom. Their economies are on their knees and the US is demanding more defence spending, creating a perfect storm for them.

Burnwinter

Gazza M Just realised this piece links to a NYT puff piece on Curtis Yarvin (aka Mencius Moldbug) that puts as much of a shine on him as the liberal outlets put on "dapper Nazi" Richard Spencer last time Trump was getting himself elected. And they still wonder why they're getting rolled over by fashy nerds …

Gazza M

awooga83 authoritarians are fuelled by symbolism, narrative control and self-mythologising. they're usually ineffectual at governing and full of shit, unless they get hold of every lever of power so they can ram through their agenda unchecked. the US isn't far away from that now

Burnwinter

Donald Trump has been speaking to reporters ahead of talks with Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, at the White House.

The US president said he would support an effort to permanently resettle Palestinians from Gaza to places where they can live without fear of violence.

Trump described Gaza as a “demolition site”. “The whole thing is a mess. It’s all death,” he said.

"I think we need another location … If we can get a beautiful area to resettle people permanently."

He said he believed Palestinians should not be going back to Gaza. “Why would they want to return? The place has been hell,” he said.

Asked how many people he believed should be resettled from Gaza, Trump replied: “All of them.”

Claudius

Burnwinter impossible to know how much of this is genocidal complicity versus opportunistic profiteering through his real estate ventures. Sick sick man.

Coombs

Claudius no difference. All genocide is for economic opportunity as much as anything.

GooneriC

These people are pure evil. The US and Israel are rogue terrorist states and the rest of the world can't seem to do anything about it. Uk , Germany , France and the so-called democratic West are all complicit.

Claudius

GooneriC well, South Africa took them to ICj. Now they’re getting hammered for being a racist state with all kinds of false accusations.

Burnwinter

It has been pretty obvious for over a year that the Israeli agenda would turn from the illusion of "destroying Hamas" while bombing tens of thousands of civilians to death to annexing parts of Gaza, but it is still chilling to have it begin to unfold on these terms.

I look forward to the Australian government (which is currently tying itself in knots with the comparatively less urgent matter of domestic antisemitism) responding to Trump here.

Qwiss

Claudius same stuff happening here in Ireland because we recognised Palestine as a state and have backed SAs ICJ case.

Mirth doesn’t even try to maintain a facade.

The US has already pumped €12 billion dollars into this genocide, Trump wants another billion handed to them now. I'd rather hear these statements than the previous bullshit about wanting peace while funding a genocide. Maybe now it'll force Europe and other nations in the West to be honest about their relationship with the US and their support of these policies.

Mirth

Realistically only China could bring the US to the table on this. The allied states can’t even fend off the US threatening their own countries

The Democrats lost a lot of votes over this and they deserved to be punished but at this point I’m not sure what anyone was expecting. Trump’s always been more pro Israel than anyone else and doesn’t even try to maintain a facade.

awooga83

Was never going to be any other way Trump had set out what his position was on this he never has indicated support for a 2 state solution which previously had been the official position. Also the world has no power and never had any on reigning in other powerful states that's just been the reality forever if it aligns with the agenda of the big countries it will be resolved if not nothing is ever going to happen. It's been the case since the league of nations and the UN is equally as powerless.

Gazza M

the peace president.

JazzG

Agree with that, this is somewhere imo this is where some took it way too far. I don't think the vast majority of people have a problem with Trans people but they certainly have a problem with them being in womens spaces and womens sport.

Trump might do and say some nasty shit as president but stuff like this is just common sense and I've found a lot of people on the left would agree with this.

Qwiss

JazzG but they certainly have a problem with them being in womens spaces

What does that mean?

HomeSteak

JazzG yea. 99% of people on all sides agree with this, doing this means nothing, just gets likes and shares and gets idiots to clap, it's why he does it. because idiots are ready to ignore everything else he ever does no matter how bad. Reels/social media made people angry at the "democrats" for wanting this, even if that is not true. If he owns the imaginary lefties idiots in America are willing to go and give him money from their own pocket and let his rich friends do whatever they want.

Burnwinter

JazzG I don't think the vast majority of people have a problem with Trans people but they certainly have a problem with them being in womens spaces and womens sport.

I reckon very few would be concerned by trans people if ratbag pundits and political ne'er-do-wells didn't keep telling them they should be.

When I was young my uncle told me about how a campy public servant friend of his was bashed to death many years earlier, in a public toilet in 1980s Canberra.

Of course back in the 1980s, everyone gay was still a child molester and a rapist too ... but then that was just common sense and what the "vast majority" of people thought, wasn't it?

It all grates like nails on a blackboard.

Gurgen

Qwiss It means e.g. that biological males shouldn't be able to dunk on all the girls in the swimming pool. This is one of the few good decisions the Trump administration has taken so far.

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