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2024 US Election

mdgoonah41

Mirth i think setting her up to fail would have been pushing biden to stay on the ticket, accepting the loss, and then she has no standing to claim the nomination in 2028. or, no one coming out and endorsing her now and forcing her to try and win people over at the convention. the opposite actually happened, nearly everyone came out and supported her immediately, including most of the other strong candidates for president, and then the progressive caucus and the black caucus. they all could have sat on the sidelines until the convention, but them jumping in to immediately support her seems more genuine than not.

Bryant

mdgoonah41

Yeah, this is her biggest chance, given that it's against Trump. $81 million already apparently fundraised in one day.

But agree with the other comments, this is going to keep entrenching the Democratic elites (obama, pelosi, etc) controlling everything...They brought us Biden and now took him away lol

Meatwad

trump out here complaining like a karen.

such a whiny baby. perfect candidate for all the fake alphas out there.

Gazza M

mdgoonah41 don't discount the republicans shooting their own dicks off as well. at the end of the day, normies generally won't get off the couch to vote for the monster mash

mdgoonah41

lmao

Gazza M

chapeaux 😆

mdgoonah41

MistaT

I’m actually amazed at the turn around for Democratic Party support. So far it feels like people are staying true to their “anyone younger than Biden” stance. Part of my surprise is that “younger” is generally code for “progressive” and Kamala certainly isn’t that.

I’m not sure if she’s just riding a high, or got some string PR/training, but her tone in recent media appearances has been spot on. She’s actually nailed a balance between snark/sass (shots at Trump) and seriousness (to appeal to suburban/centrist voters).

It’ll be interesting to see what demographics she over indexes with, and if those are represented in swing states. VP choice now seems to hinge on what swing states the Dema feel are most winnable - Kelly for AZ/Nevada vs Shapiro for the Midwest/rust belt.

Claudius

MistaT it’s a good confluence of events. For several months everyone was complaining about choosing between Biden and Trump. And then Dems really fell out of Biden but he dug his feet long enough that it was both fractious for the party and delayed a decision until the election’s eve. So now everyone is focused on getting over the line. And it helps that she’s a candidate without a massive recent national track record, so she can brand herself quite freely.

I think she will do it

mdgoonah41

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/27/us/politics/jd-vance-friend-transgender.html?unlocked_article_code=1.-U0.2ETP.BV9ocFIB6FxX&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

pretty devastating article on vance.

mdgoonah41

the stunning thing is just how sharp her messaging has been since she got the nomination. during her campaign in 2020, her messaging was terrible, her tone was awful, and she was just flailing around. now, she seems to pretty on point with her messaging and attacks and is much more focused. her record still isnt great (i also dont think its awful but she is a cop) but if she can focus less on herself and more on attacking trump and vance with clear, concise talking points, it can go a long way. shes gotten a big bounce in the polls (compared to where biden was), but that will level off in the next few weeks. what she does to keep pushing that momentum will be key

mdgoonah41

here is a great example. nothing fancy, just a direct attack in a few sentences and its a quote tweet of a video of trump yesterday saying that this is the last time his supporters will need to vote, he'll take care of it so they dont have to vote anymore. really easy stuff here, no need to come up with a complex platform or strategy, just let trump make errors and then dunk on him.

Meatwad

how are you going to say some shit like this and your wife ends up looking like the embarrassment?

i guess if i was married to such a weak pathetic woman i would fuck a couch too.

Claudius

Meatwad this is the most 2034 Republican defense of an Indian wife. Her value lies in that she’s not a childless cat lady. Would be great if she was white. These Nazis don’t get hammered enough by your press

Gazza M

priming his base for stop the steal 2.0. people who wrote off the big lie and jan 6th as a bunch of uncoordinated yahoos will soon realise that was only the trial run. they have been working to install cronies at the state level for the last 4 years to ensure any checks and balances can be steamrolles this time around. his VP is on record as saying he wouldnt have certified 2020 if he were in pences position. his base has been radicalised to the point that they will feel justified in intimidating people at polling places. they know their positions are unpopular to a majority of the US, but they won't abandon those positions. they'll abandon the democratic process instead.

Claudius

Gazza M perils of a two party system. It overly rewards fringe elements. 50 percent of America aren’t anti constitutionalist white nationalists.

Mirth

Conventional wisdom would suggest that Vance seems like a missed opportunity for the Republicans. They should have gone for a middle of the road conservative to strengthen their hand in swing states and amongst undecided voters but instead they've doubled down on another lunatic like Trump which is an ominous sign of what lies ahead incase they do win.

mdgoonah41

Mirth the thing is, there really arent any "middle of the road conservatives" left.

people like susan collins and lisa murkowski are basically republicans in name only. anyone to their right has been maga-pilled at this point and gone completely off the rails. vance is from ohio and people thought he could appeal to younger voters, but now that people are digging in on him, they are realizing hes a freak too.

in 2024 you are either a never trumper or youve been full on maga-pilled, there is no in between

Burnwinter

Mirth Conventional wisdom would suggest that Vance seems like a missed opportunity for the Republicans.

It makes Biden's team look more strategic. It hadn't really occurred to me that Vance would be very unable to hype a crowd. I expect to see revised tactics from the Trump campaign—an increase in Vance's derangement, and more joint appearances.

mdgoonah41 That Times profile on Vance is truly damning, but I don't think it'll matter unless he validates it himself somehow.

MistaT

Seems odd to me that Vance is Theil’s guy.

Surely there’s someone smarter and more put together that Theil could have bought.

GooneriC

No difference between Trump Netanyahu and Harris. That goes for the majority of US Politicians Republican or Democrat .They are all evil

Meatwad

GooneriC
which country are you from?

mdgoonah41

GooneriC buddy im as big a critic of the dems as anyone but there is a pretty big difference between harris and trump/bibi

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