2024 US Election
Obama knows...
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Obama is a coward, he never takes a stance in a tricky spot. No surprise there.
Don't have high hopes for Kamala but a loss in 24 might let the Dems reset a bit as a party. There is an old guard that desperately needs to be cleared out, and they have no up and coming candidates whatsoever.
harris is a cop and she isnt great on the whole, but a bag of doorknobs has a better chance against trump than biden did.
also, this
CPM i disagree to an extent.
beshear
shapiro
whitmer
pritzker
all young enough to make a difference. what we truly need is people like pelosi, schumer, hoyer and obama to just fuck off and retire/stay away. let the party grow, get back to fucking organizing and building grassroots support in every single state instead of catering to the donor class who are 50/50 to either not vote or vote for a republican anyway because they dont want to pay taxes
mdgoonah41 Yeah, we're on the same page, even if I'm never going to get delirious about the Democrats. All of those names you mention should be higher profile at this point. With a proper competitive primary Whitmer would have a good chance at being the nominee IMO – pro-labor governor of a midwestern swing state, who has actually shown a modicum of governing competence. But we're stuck with this cabal of octogenarians and Hamptons centimillionaires who hate democracy and want to pull the strings themselves.
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Qwiss I think it probably will, Trump has been even more pro Israel overtly, he has talked about pressuring Ukraine to give Putin what he wants and signalling to abandon Taiwan. That will create more instability in the world and that's not including his radicalising further the extreme right. There may not be perfect options in the world but there are certainly worse ones in my view and trump is very much that.
shapiro endorsed kamala right out of the gate. i think he'd like that VP spot.
Burnwinter This is depressingly accurate. I wish it weren't. I had written but deleted a much longer reply. Humanity has unleashed forces and created systems that are now inevitable. A lot of people (myself included) have just stopped caring.
in the last 8 days, someone tried to assassinate trump and biden was subbed out of the presidential race. what a time to be alive.
They're going with Kamala because they know they're losing this one. Keeping the better candidates on hold for 2028.
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lmao actblue got $50m in donations in 8 hours. dems were desperate for literally anyone but biden that they donated $50m to a cop that no one really liked until 8 hours ago
kamikaze Harris will lose badly because she'll run an "action figure" fanfic campaign. "I prosecuted bad guys!" as per her 2020 campaign material. You can't run such a campaign without showing just as much of the "action figure" that is Trump.
It's shameful for the Democrats how much they've fostered this situation in which Donald Trump, of all people, is absolutely hosing them on class war and "elites" rhetoric.
This is the entropic endpoint of the horse-trading concessional "safe pair of hands" politics we see with (for example) Starmer and Albanese. For the Democrats, a popular platform and leadership that creates its own media energy separate from Trump-phobia is vital.
I saw an interview Bill Maher did with Buttigieg the other day that went viral. I've got no great love for Maher or Buttigieg but it's the only rhetoric I've heard in recent times from a Democrat that seems likely to cut through.
Buttigieg was quizzed about Silicon Valley and Thiel's influence on JD Vance, and just responded something like: "Let's not overcomplicate it, Silicon Valley billionaires may well have their private desires, but they'll support Trump because they're very rich men and the Republican Party is the party whose agenda benefits very rich men."
kamikaze Good to see you on here by the way Kami. As far as western electoral politics goes, the terms are already outdated, but I reckon I've been "blackpilled" for about a decade and I'm getting close to "grillpilled" as the farce goes on.
One vegetable out the way, the next vegetable about to take power. People used to laugh at African countries being ruled by lunatics but how is this any better ffs
Rest of the planet looks on in hopes Cheeto in chief drops the nuclear football in the White House.
Harris will win the election
awooga83 none of that will happen. He'll talk big talk but the chances of him pulling out of Taiwan are zero. Not that a president who was less hawkish about China would be a bad thing. Someones going to end up negotiating an unpopular peace deal in Ukraine eventually, a war that may never have started if Trump had beaten Biden. And the US backs Israel to the hilt no matter what so it wont be different there.
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Claudius dems will still be underdogs, for sure, but i think this was needed. harris was polling better than biden in theoretical polls, now the focus will be on her, so we'll see what the numbers look like. it really comes down to like 5 states, so that is all that matters at this point.
while its never the most likely outcome, dems could still possibly win the house and lose the senate/presidency. that would be really bad on one hand, because alito/thomas are likely to retire if trump wins, and he'll replace them with 40 year old hacks who will cement the scotus supermajority for another 30 years. but, winning the house, even by a slim majority, would prevent trump from passing any catastrophic laws.
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Harris needs a debate and she needs to kill it, which lets be honest shouldn't be hard for any half decent politician against Trump. She could probably do with a big progressive policy that Biden didn't already have to hang her hat on and energise people too.
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She's got plenty of time to turn it around. A 100 days is a long time for an election cycle in most countries and that's enough time to change the minds of a nation. Trump's team have generally attacked her for not being the smartest or most competent but honestly that's the weakest attack line they have given who they're putting up.
On the other hand, a part of me thinks they're setting her up to fail and focus on 2028 now.
Mirth i think setting her up to fail would have been pushing biden to stay on the ticket, accepting the loss, and then she has no standing to claim the nomination in 2028. or, no one coming out and endorsing her now and forcing her to try and win people over at the convention. the opposite actually happened, nearly everyone came out and supported her immediately, including most of the other strong candidates for president, and then the progressive caucus and the black caucus. they all could have sat on the sidelines until the convention, but them jumping in to immediately support her seems more genuine than not.
trump out here complaining like a karen.
such a whiny baby. perfect candidate for all the fake alphas out there.
mdgoonah41 don't discount the republicans shooting their own dicks off as well. at the end of the day, normies generally won't get off the couch to vote for the monster mash
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Yeah, this is her biggest chance, given that it's against Trump. $81 million already apparently fundraised in one day.
But agree with the other comments, this is going to keep entrenching the Democratic elites (obama, pelosi, etc) controlling everything...They brought us Biden and now took him away lol
lmao
chapeaux 
I’m actually amazed at the turn around for Democratic Party support. So far it feels like people are staying true to their “anyone younger than Biden” stance. Part of my surprise is that “younger” is generally code for “progressive” and Kamala certainly isn’t that.
I’m not sure if she’s just riding a high, or got some string PR/training, but her tone in recent media appearances has been spot on. She’s actually nailed a balance between snark/sass (shots at Trump) and seriousness (to appeal to suburban/centrist voters).
It’ll be interesting to see what demographics she over indexes with, and if those are represented in swing states. VP choice now seems to hinge on what swing states the Dema feel are most winnable - Kelly for AZ/Nevada vs Shapiro for the Midwest/rust belt.
MistaT it’s a good confluence of events. For several months everyone was complaining about choosing between Biden and Trump. And then Dems really fell out of Biden but he dug his feet long enough that it was both fractious for the party and delayed a decision until the election’s eve. So now everyone is focused on getting over the line. And it helps that she’s a candidate without a massive recent national track record, so she can brand herself quite freely.
I think she will do it
the stunning thing is just how sharp her messaging has been since she got the nomination. during her campaign in 2020, her messaging was terrible, her tone was awful, and she was just flailing around. now, she seems to pretty on point with her messaging and attacks and is much more focused. her record still isnt great (i also dont think its awful but she is a cop) but if she can focus less on herself and more on attacking trump and vance with clear, concise talking points, it can go a long way. shes gotten a big bounce in the polls (compared to where biden was), but that will level off in the next few weeks. what she does to keep pushing that momentum will be key
here is a great example. nothing fancy, just a direct attack in a few sentences and its a quote tweet of a video of trump yesterday saying that this is the last time his supporters will need to vote, he'll take care of it so they dont have to vote anymore. really easy stuff here, no need to come up with a complex platform or strategy, just let trump make errors and then dunk on him.
how are you going to say some shit like this and your wife ends up looking like the embarrassment?
i guess if i was married to such a weak pathetic woman i would fuck a couch too.
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priming his base for stop the steal 2.0. people who wrote off the big lie and jan 6th as a bunch of uncoordinated yahoos will soon realise that was only the trial run. they have been working to install cronies at the state level for the last 4 years to ensure any checks and balances can be steamrolles this time around. his VP is on record as saying he wouldnt have certified 2020 if he were in pences position. his base has been radicalised to the point that they will feel justified in intimidating people at polling places. they know their positions are unpopular to a majority of the US, but they won't abandon those positions. they'll abandon the democratic process instead.
Conventional wisdom would suggest that Vance seems like a missed opportunity for the Republicans. They should have gone for a middle of the road conservative to strengthen their hand in swing states and amongst undecided voters but instead they've doubled down on another lunatic like Trump which is an ominous sign of what lies ahead incase they do win.
Seems odd to me that Vance is Theil’s guy.
Surely there’s someone smarter and more put together that Theil could have bought.
Mirth the thing is, there really arent any "middle of the road conservatives" left.
people like susan collins and lisa murkowski are basically republicans in name only. anyone to their right has been maga-pilled at this point and gone completely off the rails. vance is from ohio and people thought he could appeal to younger voters, but now that people are digging in on him, they are realizing hes a freak too.
in 2024 you are either a never trumper or youve been full on maga-pilled, there is no in between
No difference between Trump Netanyahu and Harris. That goes for the majority of US Politicians Republican or Democrat .They are all evil