Mirth wrote:
Ricky1985 wrote:
It's also possible that he doesn't have a great plan or vision for what he wants to build at Chelsea, I would say very often that's what separates a good coach from the great ones.
Where would you classify Ancelotti then? I never felt Carlo had this overarching philosophy after he left AC Milan. Rather he just made the most of what he had in the short term and ended up becoming as successful as Pep - or even more so by some metrics.
I don't necessarily think signing players is the indicator of an overarching philosophy, but I would argue that Ancelotti knows with crystal clarity how he wants his team to play, and all of his success has come at clubs where he had the elite talent required to play his football. In fact, so much talent that a coach could almost play any football.
I do agree, however, that Ancelotti is different to Klopp and Guardiola, and I would argue that despite winning more trophies that he's not as great as they are. And why it's almost a bit of a surprise to most when his phenomenal record is brought up. For me, at Chelsea, Real Madrid, and Bayern Munich, he somewhat piggy backed a little on the great projects that were built before he arrived by Mourinho, Mourinho/Zidane, and Guardiola.
That's not to say he isn't an incredible coach, but I'm not sure I'd back him to replicate Klopp's and Guardiola's success in building the teams they have at Liverpool and City. When there was a project beginning at PSG and a great team waiting to be built, he didn't execute. The same with Napoli and Everton - he never looked like he was going to build anything.
Maybe he's an outstanding coach that lacks the extra dimension of genius to be a superstar manager, which limits the conditions under which he can achieve success? (I'm no expert on his Milan days so I don't know the history there and what he walked into).
It's hard to call with him so it's a good point you raise, but when I consider Ancelotti amd his career, despite all he's won, I wouldn't put him on the same level as Mourinho, Guardiola, Ferguson, Klopp, and even Wenger. They have done something greater than just coaching a talented team to trophies, they are/were club builders and achieved success over prolonged spells by evolving and developing their teams and clubs.
