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Premier League 22/23

Pepe LeFrits

He was incredibly wasteful in the 2nd half

Segway

Vieira is doing the lord's work.

Jed

Palace should’ve won that.

Sicario

Qwiss! wrote:
Zaha is a very frustrating player.

There’s a reason he still plays for Crystal Palace.

TambourineMan

Eze is fantastic. Such a silky player and not afraid of doing the dirty work either. One to keep an eye on.

banduan

the highlights of Nunez's exploits are hilarious. Glad we never went in for him despite all those rumours.

Asterix

Tambourine Man wrote:
There is a shocking lack of diversity amongst referees and they all seem to be from the north of England. It needs to be looked into.

There is an Aussie in there now - Jarrod Gillett. He's not great though either.

Part of the problem is the constant abuse referees get from a young age. Why would you want to do that shit? I refereed to a reasonable standard 25 years ago and quit after a few threats of violence. I wasn't a great ref it's true but you can see why people quit.

The game really needs to start with cracking down on abuse. They have done it in the Aussie Rules, and I think in NFL it's not a big issue (could be wrong). Obviously as the world game football has bigger challenges to implement something, but if you allowed sin bins for abuse, moving free kicks 20m or 50m forward for abuse - any sort of zero tolerance - you could make a big difference in 5-10 years. That's maybe too hard for the game to contemplate though.

But it would help in the long run in attracting and keeping talented referees.

Is there a program to recruit former players? Obviously the money at the top of the game means top players won't become referees, but what about those playing in League 2 for instance?

jones

I'm don't think abuse is a big reason tbh. Refs get shit everywhere they go and sure they shouldn't have to, but there's a massive difference between English refs and those in other European leagues I follow that's not explained away because German French Italian or Spanish fans are more polite to refs there.

Ricky1985

Pepe LeFrits wrote:
He was incredibly wasteful in the 2nd half

Infuriatingly wasteful. His touch and ball-striking are wildly unreliable.

Bosscielny

Tambourine Man wrote:
Eze is fantastic. Such a silky player and not afraid of doing the dirty work either. One to keep an eye on.

He and Olise are fantastic players.

They’re getting linked to Sarr now too. They’ll have an exciting set of attackers to choose from if that goes through.

JazzG

https://www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/sport/213366/mike-dean-i-got-it-wrong-on-romeros-hair-pull

As for the second goal by Harry Kane, I asked referee Anthony Taylor to wait while I looked at the incident involving Tottenham’s Cristian Romero and Chelsea’s Marc Cucurella. I could not award a free-kick as VAR, but I could recommend to Taylor that he visit the referee review area to consider a possible red card. In the few seconds I had to study Romero pulling Cucurella’s hair, I didn't deem it a violent act.

I’ve since studied the footage, spoken to other referees and, upon reflection, I should have asked Taylor to visit his pitch-side monitor to take a look for himself. The referee on field always has the final say. It goes to show that no matter how experienced you are, and I’ve spent more than two decades as a Premier League official, you are always learning.

Astonishing so he's basically saying only upon reviewing this with others he has realised that he fucked up. Incredible, so will the FA go back and give Romero a red card as he clearly is guilty of violent conduct? Will they fuck. How the fuck can anyone get this wrong, he pulls the fucking player down by his hair. Fair play to him for speaking up but in any ordinary job you'd expect someone to face serious consequences for suck a monumental fuck up.

Asterix

jones wrote:
I'm don't think abuse is a big reason tbh. Refs get shit everywhere they go and sure they shouldn't have to, but there's a massive difference between English refs and those in other European leagues I follow that's not explained away because German French Italian or Spanish fans are more polite to refs there.

Fair point. Perhaps other countries have better development programs for referees.

Genuine question - what is the culture like at junior games that you know of in Germany? Are there any programs to try to limit the abuse that refs get?

I have heard that at Barcelona youth games parents are sat a fair distance away from the pitch and are only allowed to clap - no shouting. Obviously it's different at your local, lower level games.

jones

At least for Germany I don't think refs start out better than they do in England, it's only been in the last 10 years that refs started improving before they were as poor as their English counterparts by and large. Think I mentioned it here but media pressure caused Germany's FA introducing some obligatory advanced training for top level refs, happened after Kießling's phantom goal in 2013 led to nationwide outrage.

Definitely more than clapping allowed at junior matches, depends on games and involved parents of course but you'll often find people shouting from next to the pitch. Honestly don't think it gets really bad though, when it does refs even interrupt the match to tell whoever to shut up.

Abuse from players can be more of a problem at games with notorious teams and/or derby matches, couple years ago a ref made headlines by getting knocked out by a player in a non-league match for instance. Reaction was that the player got sacked and the whole club had their season cancelled. Since then they often try preparing by choosing specific refs for those matches

This guy became somewhat of a mini celebrity for being a former bouncer, kickboxing world champion and ref for non league matches, would regularly ref critical matches heated rivalries etc. Gave loads of interviews about wanting to be a positive influence until he recently got arrested and convicted for being a pimp 😆

Big Willie

Tim Howard's become a pimp.

Asterix

😆 Tim Howard. Similar to Laca as well, but bigger.

Cheers Jones.

Improving refereeing standards is a tough one because there is a pretty small talent pool to start with. They would argue that if you suspend a ref for poor performance then you have to replace him with someone who is refereeing at a lower level.

Most of us would argue that this sort of closed shop thinking doesn't provide any consequences for poor performance. You have to ask who is judging performance as well - usually other refs from inside the tent, so it's circular.

flobaba

Just heard Klopp’s comments standing up for Man U against Talksport and Gabriel Agbonlahor. I agree with him. Some of these ex players need to get a life. It’s one thing for us fans to criticize without any in depth knowledge of what’s going on behind the scenes, it’s quite another when you’ve been there yourself before, and know the varying circumstances under which a heavy defeat or terrible result may occur.

Qwiss

They nearly all do that. They act like their head never dropped, like they never put in a bad tackle, like they never made stupid decisions, its just part of being a pundit. Its better not to take them too seriously, especially on TalkSport which is just an outrage machine.

JazzG

Talksport only exists to wind up fans when they're already in an emotional state. They've been doing this for years and it won't ever change. Like much of Twitter you get these outrageous takes to drive traffic and likes/RTs.

I stopped listening to that station like 18-20 years ago, Adrian Durham used to be their main wind up merchant back in the day. Don't know if he is still around.

Clrnc

Klopp is such a fun character. Fair play to him

Pepe LeFrits

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