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Ruben Neves

Clrnc

Few years ago he looked very good for his age when he broke through at Porto.

Since then for the past few years he's average at Wolves. Other than occassional long range stunners he have pretty much nothing in his locker that we need. Pass

RonBurgundy

Better than Xhaka. I'd take him. I just wish he could run.

Anzac

BWooley wrote:
If it means we are moving to a 4-3-3 which is also why we passed on Buendia, I am all for it if Neves is the deepest in a 3. As a partner to Partey in a 2, I don't see it either.

Any links?
Ironically was reading a report that Villa made Buendia their primary target expressly so they could change to 433.

Anzac

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:
If we want someone to distribute get Ward Prowse

Waste of time = Villa are already ahead of us on that one as well and have had an initial bid rejected.

Anzac

Ray wrote:
——Partey—Neves—Aouar
Pepe——————————Saka

Yeah I'd consider him as the DLP in a midfield3 (flat or V),
but not as part of a 2 CM midfield,
and probably not for 34m in a COVID market.

Anzac

What's his mobility and style compared to the likes of Fernadinho, Rodri, Jorginho?

I don't see this going anywhere unless his fee drops to around 30m = Villa out big us on Buendia at the same price, and we didn't go after Pellegrini, Berge, Kante or Upamechano all at the same price either.

RonBurgundy

Anzac wrote:
What's his mobility and style compared to the likes of Fernadinho, Rodri, Jorginho?

He's slightly more mobile than Fernandinho and Jorginho. Probably the same as Rodri.

Anzac

Ron Burgundy wrote:
Anzac wrote:
What's his mobility and style compared to the likes of Fernadinho, Rodri, Jorginho?

He's slightly more mobile than Fernandinho and Jorginho. Probably the same as Rodri.

And they all play at the base of a midfield 3 in a 433, whereas he plays as part of a double pivot in a 4231, so he's likely better than Xhaka in terms of mobility and capability?

banduan

he's more mobile than Xhaka his role in the team means he doesn't actually move much. He's also not as tight in terms of passing stats.

Here's the kicker: Xhaka statistically makes his team better, but Neves makes it worse.

https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&comp_type=by_type&dom_lg=1&spec_comps=big_5&player_id1=44bfb6c5&p1yrfrom=2020-2021&player_id2=e61b8aee&p2yrfrom=2020-2021

Rohit

Xhaka's positioning is also excellent in the defensive phase, for which he doesn't get much credit due to his athletic and one on one frailties. Our defensive record is a lot down to his effort in the middle too. Neves doesn't come close in my opinion. It will definitely be a sideways if not backwards move.

lorddulaarsenal

Xhaka also has a positive impact in the dressing room.

Like others have said. If you’re getting rid of Xhaka use this to change the dynamic

KingslandBarge

Xhaka going is lovely but don't like this interest at all. Overall poor start to the window but maintaining trust.

speedy

Chukwueze when asked about his toughest opponent “It was (Granit) Xhaka.

“He was man-to-man marking me. He didn’t give me space.

“He was just very close to me, and I couldn’t move an inch.”

HomeSteak

Better then Xhaka, but I don't like this.

QuincyAbeyie

When the rumours came out that Bissouma wasn't our first choice I was hoping our first choice was someone better, not this guy.

Clrnc

Back then when he was more highly rated vs us.

Really nothing much in his locker. A more glorified Elneny. So many underhit passes too

For 35m there are tons of CM we can sign. Locatelli, Cristante, Pellegrini, Caqueret, Touchuameni, Fofana, Neuhaus, Edson Alvarez, Gravenberch etc etc. Someone who bring vastly different style to Xhaka/Neves mobility issues.

Claudius

Clrnc wrote:

Back then when he was more highly rated vs us.

Really nothing much in his locker. A more glorified Elneny. So many underhit passes too

For 35m there are tons of CM we can sign. Locatelli, Cristante, Pellegrini, Caqueret, Touchuameni, Fofana, Neuhaus, Edson Alvarez, Gravenberch etc etc. Someone who bring vastly different style to Xhaka/Neves mobility issues.

I hope this is just nonsense. Let’s see how it plays out. Monaco bought Tchouameni for £20m. £35m would surely be enough. Another you didn’t mention is Bruno at Lyon.

QuincyAbeyie

Wonder if Bruno is one of the players Aulas is talking about when he says that players will be leaving.

Clrnc

Bruno was super heavily linked with us due to Edu connection. That was the moment to sign him. I mean we could still sign him but it's really stupid to miss out on such a gem for a low fee at that time when he was leaving Brazil. Now Lyon is flipping him for double the money. He would be a great fit for us but the one to get is really his midfield partner Caqueret.

This is him in the crucial title decider last month against Lille alongside Bruno. He plays like a young Jack Wilshere, so much in his locker.

goon

Is he (Bruno) really good? Looked like garbage the couple of times I've seen him for Lyon.

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