Row Jimmy wrote:
AAStyle- wrote:
Why do we have to be the learning centre for a mediocre coach?
You are comparing Arteta with a heavy experienced Moyes and a decent manager like Rodgers? Arteta is more close to the youtube kid that whines and destroys his keyboard than to those two
I've been sitting out the Arteta in/out debate. There are lots of things about his man-management (mostly involving French players - Guendouzi, Saliba, Pepe) that I find incomprehensible. But this comment shows why I find most of the Arteta out sentiment infuriating.
Moyes and Rodgers are middling-to-good managers with known ceilings. Neither is good enough to win a title. That's a known fact. I'd rather have a young manager with an unknown ceiling who has a chance to turn out to be great. Arteta may turn out to never be as good as those two. But he may turn out to be better, and that's a more worthwhile chance.
For what it's worth, the Kroenke's are working off their NFL model. They hired Arteta because they're looking for the equivalent of Sean McVay, who had never been a head coach before he took over the Rams (he was the youngest NFL head coach ever), won a title, and is regularly competitive. Again, Arteta may never be that. But it's not a bad model.
Finally, if I wanted to root for a club that acted like Chelsea I'd root for Chelsea.
I disagree on Rodgers ceiling, had Stevie G not slipped and given me one of my fondest football memories not involving Arsenal, Liverpool would have won the title that season, with a vastly inferior squad to City as well. I don't like the guy, he looks like he's got a murder room in his basement and you don't have to speculate about portraits of himself hanging on his walls, but he's a good manager and has done far more than Arteta has.
I also don't like that we're working off the Rams' NFL model, it's a completely different sport, with a completely different structure, and even in US sports, most inexperienced young managers fail rather than end up like McVay. I don't think it's about the ceiling of Arteta's ability as a manager and if he'll ever reach it, it's about if he's the right fit to get this squad back into the Champions League and competing for titles again. After three years, he's been allowed to build himself a squad with shitloads of money and the results have been mediocre, it's time for him to deliver, because honestly most managers don't get the kind of freedom and authority Arteta has been granted and three years in football is a long time. To be fair, recently the team has shown encouraging signs at least.
And honestly, there's a lot of middle ground between acting like Chelsea and giving a manager three and a half years despite finishing 8th twice. We're acting like them in the transfer market nowadays, players that Arteta doesn't like don't get many chances, it doesn't take Abramovic to expect some tangible results at this point.
