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The Wishlist 2020/21

Burnwinter

Gazza M wrote:
should we enter the bellingham sweepstakes? reckon he's potentially a silver bullet for the B2B role in our midfield, abd he has that bit of x-factor about him, even at the 80m+ price that will be quoted. id be OK blood sacrificing the summer budget for the right opportunity.

Feel like a good thing with these £100m-tier deals might be to get in the mix for a few of them. Given the scale of these deals, after the first couple of big fish clubs have locked theirs in, we might be in a better position to bargain. But if we just pursue Bellingham at that valuation, I think we're highly likely to get gazumped by a motivated and cashed up rival.

We will need to go big this summer in midfield, there is no way we get through a Champions League season with the options we've got.

Anzac

Jed wrote:
If Reiss proves to be a viable option for the wings, we should go for a traditional #9 instead. Perhaps sell Nketiah, and get a Mitrović type to rotate with Jesus.

Better yet someone who can pffer something different and yet play alongside Jesus - a big man who is quicker than Giroud who can keep up with the play. Vlahovic would have been ideal.

TambourineMan

Starting to think that instead of spending big money on a winger to rotate with Saka and Martinelli we move Jesus to the wing to rotate with those two and sign a more conventional number 9 like a Vlahovic or Abraham.

flobaba

One would need a cost/ impact analysis
What do you think the impact is of a "traditional" CF, versus a goal scoring winger? I think we get more bang for our buck with the winger. Most (myself included) deride Laca's goal scoring record while he was here, but for a quick minute he also made a cumulative positive difference to our attack, but didn't have the legs to sustain it. Jesus can be seen as an upgrade of Laca - he dribbles better, has much better stamina and pace, and his defensive work rate is second to none. But in my view, Laca was the template.

I guess my point is, unless Vlahovic/Abraham are going to provide most of the Jesus' positive attributes, as well as improved finishing then there's little to no value added. Plus we would have to adjust our game to adapt to a new style/presence upfront right in the middle of the season, and only for certain scenarios when they are needed?

Eddie struggles these days because he doesn't quite have the skillset Jesus has, and also has lost his edge in front of goal. A tricky/ quality wing forward on the other hand gives us a like for like replacement for when Saka or Martinelli goes down, which could (will) be extremely disruptive to our set up. Even if they don't necessarily replicate the numbers of the first choice guys, the pressure they ought to put on the opposition defense opens up space for others in our midfield and attack. Nelson had an incredible game last time out, but Forest are rock bottom of the league for a good reason despite their heroics against a flailing Liverpool. I won't go captaining him in my fantasy team next week, and expect to look like a genius at the end of the match week. More likely that was a statistical anomaly of a performance. Hope to see more of him, and I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

TL, DR : Winger > CF imo.

Claudius

I would still go for a winger. So much of our game comes from the wide threat that Saka and Martinelli give us. And it’s a two way job. They expend a lot of energy creating threat and pressing. If you look at attacking data, Martinelli and Saka are both top right quadrant. So it would be great to have one other guy who can come in at that level.

Segway

I agree. We need a left winger. It's painful watching Eddie on the left and Reiss looks so much better on the right.

MistaT

ESR has looked decent as a LWF, and I think he’s combine well with Xhaka and Jesus.

Claudius

MistaT wrote:
ESR has looked decent as a LWF, and I think he’s combine well with Xhaka and Jesus.

but when will his nuts heal?

goon

Due back Dec, isn't he?

Pepe LeFrits

LANS.

GooneriC

I'd rather we get a striker but the market is so thin in that area. Not sure who we should go for and who is attainable next window

Claudius

GooneriC wrote:
I'd rather we get a striker but the market is so thin in that area. Not sure who we should go for and who is attainable next window

There are 180 minutes a game at wide forward, and only two elite players. This is the bigger point of leverage

QuincyAbeyie

ESR is certainly a better backup than Nketiah is though and a striker would also mean better depth out wide because Jesus is just as good there.

Clrnc

Give 60m to Napoli for their Georgian. Think they can't reject that

QuincyAbeyie

I think they would reject that to be honest.

Coombs

Clubs constantly shoot themselves in the foot that way. If you're going to cash in, do it early. If you're not and you want to build a title-winning squad, fair enough, but that so rarely seems to be the case these days. If they rejected a serious 60m bid, the likelihood of ever getting more than that is severely diminished.

Claudius

I just don’t see a path for that transfer. We apparently offered €80 for Osimhen this summer and Napoli told us to eat shit.

Segway

Clrnc wrote:
Give 60m to Napoli for their Georgian. Think they can't reject that

He's so fun to watch. Love a good dribbler.

Anzac

Claudius wrote:
GooneriC wrote:
I'd rather we get a striker but the market is so thin in that area. Not sure who we should go for and who is attainable next window

There are 180 minutes a game at wide forward, and only two elite players. This is the bigger point of leverage

However we also have options for the flanks such as ESR, Vieira & now Nelson & Marquinhos, whereas we are 'short' of options at CF with only Nketiah as a recognised CF/ST.

That said I think we'll look at the likes of Jonathan David who can play as both CF and WF.

Claudius

We have all those options but none of them give us the directness that Saka and Martinelli do. These guys are output monsters. They are the top of the league on dribbles, ball progressions by passing and dribbling, shot creating actions for themselves and others. What we need is the ability to get to 60 minutes each game, take Saka or Martinelli off and throw on another guy who will keep defenders beaten. And just rotate them.

The other guys guy mentioned are all good players, but none of them will generate the kind of goal-creating output that these two guys do

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