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Man City vs Arsenal, Saturday @ 1945 with Pilav and a Baklava

Anzac

Also want to say I'm glad AW didn't come back to take a seat on the BoD.

He would not have enjoyed the style of play seen this week remembering after the 2005 FA Cup win he said he'd rather not win again than to do so playing in that manner. IIRC there was some comment later about the players not following his instructions and being forced onto the back foot.

Claudius

Anzac wrote:
Also want to say I'm glad AW didn't come back to take a seat on the BoD.

He would not have enjoyed the style of play seen this week remembering after the 2005 FA Cup win he said he'd rather not win again than to do so playing in that manner. IIRC there was some comment later about the players not following his instructions and being forced onto the back foot.

That is not fully accurate. Many of his best performances in the following season's Champions League were founded on a strong defense and counter-attacking football. And that Arsenal team was shaky in the league. Henry adapted to a 1 striker system really well

Anzac

Claudius wrote:
Anzac wrote:
Also want to say I'm glad AW didn't come back to take a seat on the BoD.

He would not have enjoyed the style of play seen this week remembering after the 2005 FA Cup win he said he'd rather not win again than to do so playing in that manner. IIRC there was some comment later about the players not following his instructions and being forced onto the back foot.

That is not fully accurate. Many of his best performances in the following season's Champions League were founded on a strong defense and counter-attacking football. And that Arsenal team was shaky in the league. Henry adapted to a 1 striker system really well

IIRC that run to the UCL Final was Keown working as a consultant working with a make-shift back4 that set a UCL defensive record.

Klaus

Keown's magical work that season gets all the more legendary for each passing year. The man apparently transformed our defence in Europe but couldn't stop us from losing every week in the league.

Wenger had priors when it came to transforming players out of position and forging great defences. He took a makeshift Kolo Touré and turned him into the best defender in Europe, a Lauren who used to be a midfielder and turned him into the best rightback in the league. The invincibles defence did not contain a single player he had inherited and it was the best we've ever had at this club by far.

DKGooner

Great performance yesterday. Fully deserved with tactics spot on. Would be very sweet if we managed to win FA Cup and simultaneous prevent Spurs getting any European football.

I wonder if the lack of fans made it a little easier for us to implement these tactics. An actual crowd would reduce the audibility of the instructions from Arteta and between players, plus emotions may have run higher leading to more reckless challenges etc. Either way, we took advantage and sets a good template for dealing with better possession based teams in the short term.

Anzac

Klaus wrote:
Keown's magical work that season gets all the more legendary for each passing year. The man apparently transformed our defence in Europe but couldn't stop us from losing every week in the league.

No need for embellishments - the back4 that did most of the work in the UCL run included Flamini as a make-shift LB and Senderos at CB.
They conceded 2 goals in 12 games going into the Final and had a record 10 consecutive clean sheets, during which we won at RM in R32, and then beat Juve in the Q/Fs.

Anzac

Klaus wrote:
Keown's magical work that season gets all the more legendary for each passing year. The man apparently transformed our defence in Europe but couldn't stop us from losing every week in the league.

Wenger had priors when it came to transforming players out of position and forging great defences. He took a makeshift Kolo Touré and turned him into the best defender in Europe, a Lauren who used to be a midfielder and turned him into the best rightback in the league. The invincibles defence did not contain a single player he had inherited and it was the best we've ever had at this club by far.

Sorry - I call BS on this = the part about being the best defence we've ever had by far.

Klaus

Anzac wrote:
Klaus wrote:
Keown's magical work that season gets all the more legendary for each passing year. The man apparently transformed our defence in Europe but couldn't stop us from losing every week in the league.

No need for embellishments - the back4 that did most of the work in the UCL run included Flamini as a make-shift LB and Senderos at CB.
They conceded 2 goals in 12 games going into the Final and had a record 10 consecutive clean sheets, during which we won at RM in R32, and then beat Juve in the Q/Fs.

What I'm saying is that Wenger is the one who gets the credit, good or bad, for what we did that season, not Keown who was at the club for a month or two to work on his badges.

Klaus

Anzac wrote:
Klaus wrote:
Keown's magical work that season gets all the more legendary for each passing year. The man apparently transformed our defence in Europe but couldn't stop us from losing every week in the league.

Wenger had priors when it came to transforming players out of position and forging great defences. He took a makeshift Kolo Touré and turned him into the best defender in Europe, a Lauren who used to be a midfielder and turned him into the best rightback in the league. The invincibles defence did not contain a single player he had inherited and it was the best we've ever had at this club by far.

Sorry - I call BS on this.

Really? You'd rather have Dixon than Lauren, Adams over Campbell, Winterburn over Cole? All of them were clearly a tier below the invincibles as players. Lehmann was better than Seaman too, although that one was a much closer call.

Anzac

Klaus wrote:
Anzac wrote:
No need for embellishments - the back4 that did most of the work in the UCL run included Flamini as a make-shift LB and Senderos at CB.
They conceded 2 goals in 12 games going into the Final and had a record 10 consecutive clean sheets, during which we won at RM in R32, and then beat Juve in the Q/Fs.

What I'm saying is that Wenger is the one who gets the credit, not Keown who was at the club for a month or two to work on his badges.

The talk I had heard was that Keown had been brought in as an SME from the days of The Legendary Back4, as they wanted his input to specifically work with the defence in the UCL. IIRC he was supposed to do his badges carrying on from that season but the offer was never made and he's never been offered a coaching position at the club since.

Klaus

I think your recollection is wrong, Anzac.

Anzac

Klaus wrote:
Anzac wrote:
Sorry - I call BS on this.

Really? You'd rather have Dixon than Lauren, Adams over Campbell, Winterburn over Cole? All of them were clearly a tier below the invincibles as players. Lehmann was better than Seaman too, although that one was a much closer call.

I'll give you The Invincibles were better as individual players, but IMO The Legendary Back4 & Seaman were the better defensive unit, and lasted longer.

Anzac

Klaus wrote:
I think your recollection is wrong, Anzac.

Then my apologies if so.

lorddulaarsenal

Xhaka has been so good these past few playing months

speedy

Bit nerdy but heres a video on cruyffs tactics when he managed barca in 88 with pep in midfield.
Cryff had 2 systems at the time the 4-3-3 with inverted full backs pep uses now. And the 3-4-3 arteta uses now. And you can see how it all works.

speedy

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:
Xhaka has been so good these past few playing months

It's a wonder he can play without all the booing.

Mirth

Anzac wrote:
Klaus wrote:
I think your recollection is wrong, Anzac.

Then my apologies if so.

Yeah, that's an urban myth. We've seen several ex-players return to the club for their badges, none of them had any involvement in the tactics. Logically - why would they?

Burnwinter

The 06 Champions League run was pretty freakish. Eboue was never that good before or after for example.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Thought it was common knowledge that Keown had significant input into our defensive training or whatever during that season. Or just an urban myth??

Clrnc

Its as real as the myth when our defence improved for a short period of time after Bould became assistant.

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