Coutinho: Page 3 - The Arsenal discussion community: One More in the Tolly

Coutinho

Claudius

Arteta outcoached Pep. Very few managers have had the tools to overwhelm Pep in a straight duel. It’s typically another galactico team like Real Madrid with peak Cristiano when they did him 4-0. So you need to work around his glittering array of talent. We had 4 shots on target to their 1. And although they had territory, they did not assail our six yard box as they often do against other teams. He neutered them, cutting out all their incisive through balls around the 18 yard box. After the first 12 minutes, we managed them

flobaba

So, why is it when Mourinho does it it’s parking the bus, and when Arteta does it, it’s out coaching Pep?

Claudius

flobaba wrote:
So, why is it when Mourinho does it it’s parking the bus, and when Arteta does it, it’s out coaching Pep?

... because Mourinho has almost always had the assets to build the best squads in the world. In team sports you typically lead with defense when you have the inferior offensive assets. Mourinho has coached the likes of Droogba, Robben, Eto'o, Cristiano, Hazard, etc in his career. He should typically be leading with offense - which he started his career doing and then just abandoned

Gazza M

Jose does it against every team, even those of similar or lesser calibre. From what I've seen arteta does it against clearly superior opponents, but its admittedly a small sample size

Anzac

flobaba wrote:
So, why is it when Mourinho does it it’s parking the bus, and when Arteta does it, it’s out coaching Pep?

Except that 18 pass move for goal would not happen if it was a genuine park the bus strategy = it would be far more direct & less than a handful of passes.

QuincyAbeyie

I see that Flobaba is on his usual negativity spree in every recent thread.

Mirth

Imagine playing devil's advocate for Mourinho. It's not 2005 anymore.

Claudius

Maybe Flobaba is Mourinho. I don’t recall him posting during the Spurs game

flobaba

:-)

Burnwinter

Mirth wrote:
Imagine playing devil's advocate for Mourinho. It's not 2005 anymore.

The devil's advocacy for Mourinho was still going strong until at least 2013 or 2014 from what I recall.

Claudius

Burnwinter wrote:
Mirth wrote:
Imagine playing devil's advocate for Mourinho. It's not 2005 anymore.

The devil's advocacy for Mourinho was still going strong until at least 2013 or 2014 from what I recall.

We had folks arguing for him to manage us recently. Some of these cats are on a retainer

Asterix

Arteta has been quite pointed in recent press conferences about wanting players who want to play for us. Hopefully these wins give him even greater influence over transfer decisions. If Coutinho wants to come and work hard and buy into Arteta's vision and ethos then that's great - if Arteta thinks he will fit into the team.

And hopefully is Arteta doesn't think Coutinho is a good fit he has the influence to say no thanks.

Burnwinter

Claudius wrote:
Burnwinter wrote:
The devil's advocacy for Mourinho was still going strong until at least 2013 or 2014 from what I recall.

We had folks arguing for him to manage us recently. Some of these cats are on a retainer

Talking about being on the payroll, you were one of his biggest boosters back in the day! At least he was winning a ton of silverware back then.

Thought it was pretty hilarious the amount of success that was predicted for him at rustbucket United.

HomeSteak

Kia is just shoping him around, nobody wants him, wonder why.

EDIT:

A loan move to a Premier League team is on the cards this summer for Philippe Coutinho. [@gerardromero]

This guy works for esportsrac1 and is tier 1 for Barca news.

Arsenal are one of the teams who have shown the most interest in signing Coutinho. However, the Brazilian midfielder's wages are a major obstacle for the Gunners. Coutinho has made it clear that he wants to return to the Premier League but he has told his agent to put any talks on hold until he concludes his loan spell at Bayern. [@mundodeportivo]

HomeSteak

Coutinho initially rejected Arsenal because it meant taking a pay cut important because Arsenal are not ready to pay his salary in full. Coutinho said 'no', but a few days ago he asked Arsenal for an extension to make a decision. It keeps the door open.
Arteta loves Coutinho and the London club has taken the necessary steps. Though, Leicester and Tottenham have already qualified for Europe, they can now make a concrete move for Coutinho.
Now that the Premier League has finished, it should speed up any loan move for the Brazilian midfielder.
[@SPORT]

He will have a problem if he is looking for the same wages. In Qatar or China he can get that, not in europe, where is stock is at an all time low.

And some more on Coutinho:

[/twittter]

Claudius

They must be cutting their coke with disinfectant at the Nou Camp. My God!

QuincyAbeyie

It's more like we should demand €50m for Guendouzi if we agree to take on the added burden that is Coutinho.

Claudius

They need to own their mistakes and take a write-off on this bloke. Take a big bath along with all the other Covid-19 disruptions.

MistaT

Does Coutinho do anything to help our creativity?

Always struck me more as a player focused on shooting, so we'd (possibly) get more goals out of our midfield, but I'm not sure we'd create more for our forwards due to him.

ohboy

MistaT wrote:
Does Coutinho do anything to help our creativity?

Always struck me more as a player focused on shooting, so we'd (possibly) get more goals out of our midfield, but I'm not sure we'd create more for our forwards due to him.

I agree.

Not really a player who picks apart defences, he can score alright, and when and the ball he loves a one-two, so his movement (for himself :lol🙂 can cause problems.

Overall not really what we need, so I would be spending every available penny on all other areas.

If he or Dembele then fall in our laps at the end of the window on a loan, then fine.

« Previous Page Next Page »