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#Coronavirus

KingslandBarge

Good to hear Jones.

https://qz.com/africa/1836458/curfews-not-lockdowns-will-slow-covid-19-spread-in-africa/
Not sure I agree with all these recommendations, but the idea of curfew seems an option to consider. @[deleted] tip of the hat to SA in the article. Didn't know they ramped up to 30,000 tests a day. Think thats impressive.

QuincyAbeyie

Barbers here will open in one and a half week as well, but still, if we accept during lockdown that those businesses that need it stay open, it wouldn't be much of a lockdown at all.

Qwiss

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Barbers here will open in one and a half week as well, but still, if we accept during lockdown that those businesses that need it stay open, it wouldn't be much of a lockdown at all.

Exactly. Its selfish. Loads of bars are fucked from not opening too, would we say its ok for them to open and trade just because they're struggling? We are all taking a hit here.

Mirth

I also don't get it. It's a lockdown - who's suppose to see you anyway?

jones

Qwiss! wrote:
Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Barbers here will open in one and a half week as well, but still, if we accept during lockdown that those businesses that need it stay open, it wouldn't be much of a lockdown at all.

Exactly. Its selfish. Loads of bars are fucked from not opening too, would we say its ok for them to open and trade just because they're struggling? We are all taking a hit here.

At least here it's a lot easier to get help as the owner of a bar than being a barber employed in a small shop. There's also the obvious fact that it's a lot easier to contract the virus in a crowded pub than sitting in front of your barber who can also take the necessary precaution when cutting hair. Again, I haven't been to my barber but do you people really think all of the politicians you see on TV haven't had any hair cuts in the last month either?

Qwiss

jones wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
Exactly. Its selfish. Loads of bars are fucked from not opening too, would we say its ok for them to open and trade just because they're struggling? We are all taking a hit here.

At least here it's a lot easier to get help as the owner of a bar than being a barber employed in a small shop. There's also the obvious fact that it's a lot easier to contract the virus in a crowded pub than sitting in front of your barber who can also take the necessary precaution when cutting hair. Again, I haven't been to my barber but do you people really think all of the politicians you see on TV haven't had any hair cuts in the last month either?

The guy I voted for in the last election put up pics of him shaving his own head. 😆

Loads of business that are less contact heavy than barbers aren't opening and are in financial difficulty. I don't see an excuse for it.

Mirth

jones wrote:
Again, I haven't been to my barber but do you people really think all of the politicians you see on TV haven't had any hair cuts in the last month either?

It's not that hard to trim your hair from home tbh - particularly if you have a partner to help you. I'm not saying most politicians would do that but seems like such a bizarre hill to die on

MistaT

I'm curious what everyone thinks the roll back (of restrictions/isolation/distancing) will look like?

In my mind, we'll likely see it rolled out in 2-3 week phases so they can monitor impact on hospitalization rates/admittance. It doesn't seem like infection rate testing will be a good metric to evaluate rollbacks as there are delays in symptoms and not enough tests. In the event a surge in hospitalization happens, then the rollback would be rescinded and you would be back in the prior stage.

Phase 1 - social (ability to meet with family) and economic (expansion of what is deemed "essential" to companies that have small, closely monitored work forces and clientele)

Phase 2 - social (ability to meet with friends) and economic (continued expansion of "essential companies" status)

Phase 3 - social (parks re-open) and economic (restaurants open to reservations only, to help contact tracing)

Phase 4 - ?

Phase - 6+ is when you may see professional sports pick up again, but that seems months off to me

flobaba

Also need to look at airports and air travel and what that looks like both domestically and internationally.

Let’s warm up this globe again.

arsedocmd

Oh man, a bit of discussion on the barbers. Only meant as a joke but can't they wear a mask, sanitize etc?

And I have no idea what's a personal barber.

arsedocmd

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/Operation-Gridlock-rally-planned-in-response-to-emergency-order-extension--569639171.html

Operation gridlock rally!

jones

Qwiss! wrote:
jones wrote:
At least here it's a lot easier to get help as the owner of a bar than being a barber employed in a small shop. There's also the obvious fact that it's a lot easier to contract the virus in a crowded pub than sitting in front of your barber who can also take the necessary precaution when cutting hair. Again, I haven't been to my barber but do you people really think all of the politicians you see on TV haven't had any hair cuts in the last month either?

The guy I voted for in the last election put up pics of him shaving his own head. 😆

Loads of business that are less contact heavy than barbers aren't opening and are in financial difficulty. I don't see an excuse for it.

German government disagrees with you. Was just announced barbers, libraries and small stores (<800m²) can reopen starting next Monday

jones

arsedoc md wrote:
And I have no idea what's a personal barber.

Means you have one particular barber who always cuts your hair. Only animals don't care who shears them

lorddulaarsenal

Or natural handsome blokes who look the shiz no matter who cuts their barnet

We do exist!

arsedocmd

speaking of animals..

y va marquer

New cases per day are increasing here.
After 3 weeks of the more restrictive measures.

CMO

Where is the end of point of social distancing?

"We just do not know but it may be needed to protect the health of people in our society.

"It could be a lengthy period of time before we have a vaccine."
.......................

"We believe the increase in the number [of positive cases] is as a result of more testing, we don’t think it’s because the disease is changing its behaviour."

"We just do not know" "We believe" "We don't think it's because..."

Hard to hear that.

lorddulaarsenal

No guarantees a vaccine can be created either

Qwiss

y va marquer wrote:
New cases per day are increasing here.
After 3 weeks of the more restrictive measures.

CMO

Where is the end of point of social distancing?

"We just do not know but it may be needed to protect the health of people in our society.

"It could be a lengthy period of time before we have a vaccine."
.......................

"We believe the increase in the number [of positive cases] is as a result of more testing, we don’t think it’s because the disease is changing its behaviour."

"We just do not know" "We believe" "We don't think it's because..."

Hard to hear that.

Could the numbers rising be because they're actually getting test results out now? I've a few friends who were tested who waited 3 weeks but they got their results yesterday.

Mirth

MistaT wrote:
I'm curious what everyone thinks the roll back (of restrictions/isolation/distancing) will look like?

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/ending-coronavirus-lockdowns-will-be-dangerous-process-trial-and-error#

But what is the exit strategy? “We’ve managed to get to the life raft,” says epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health (HSPH). “But I’m really unclear how we will get to the shore.”

As they seek a path forward, governments around the world must triangulate the health of their citizens, the freedoms of their population, and economic constraints. Could schools be reopened? Restaurants? Bars? Can people go back to their offices? “How to relax the lockdown is not something around which there is a scientific consensus,” says Caroline Buckee, an epidemiologist at HSPH. Most researchers agree that reopening society will be a long haul, marked by trial and error. “It’s going to have to be something that we’re going to have to take baby steps with,” says Megan Coffee, an infectious disease researcher at New York University.

The number to watch in the next phase may no longer be the actual number of cases per day, but what epidemiologists call the effective reproduction number, or R, which denotes how many people the average infected person infects in turn. If R is above 1, the outbreak grows; below 1 it shrinks. The goal of the current lockdowns is to push R well below 1. Once the pandemic is tamed, countries can try to loosen restrictions while keeping R hovering around 1, when each infected person on average infects one other person, keeping the number of new cases steady.

To regulate R, “Governments will have to realize that there are basically three control knobs on the dashboard,” says Gabriel Leung, a modeler at the University of Hong Kong: isolating patients and tracing their contacts, border restrictions, and social distancing.

y va marquer

Qwiss! wrote:
y va marquer wrote:
New cases per day are increasing here.
After 3 weeks of the more restrictive measures.

CMO

"We just do not know" "We believe" "We don't think it's because..."

Hard to hear that.

Could the numbers rising be because they're actually getting test results out now? I've a few friends who were tested who waited 3 weeks but they got their results yesterday.

Possible I guess, I have a friend who's been waiting since 22nd March. Still no result today and she's coughing like a train.
She has been sealed off with her family since before she got tested but was supposed to start a new job this week, now deffered until May 5th.

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