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Clrnc

Torreira was fantastic yesterday. His pressing was key to most of our attacks

Coombs

Jed wrote:
Torreira was our MOTM yesterday.

Says quite a lot, I think.

lorddulaarsenal

Bourmemouth have a tremendous amount of running power

Coombs

They do, and we don't. Torreira is part of that problem, and needs to be offset by someone. He also needs to sort out his touch, looked like passing into a pile of cinderblocks at times. Honestly, unless he becomes technically world class, I don't see the point of him long term. He's basically a utility man with limited utility.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:
Bourmemouth have a tremendous amount of running power

All teams do compared with us.

goon

Torreira was superb yesterday, and that’s not relative to anything.

jones

These match day threads have become literally useless unless you're watching the game and need a place to rant, there's pretty much every opinion on pretty much every player available here ffs.

Claudius

Or maybe it’s normal for people with differing incoming emotions towards players and expectations to have diverse range of reactions to performances at the end of the game. Makes the conversation more interesting actually. We aren’t the Borg.

jones

You are no Borg whatever that is but this normally did not use to be a randomiser in terms of rating of performances. A lot to do with the players putting in mixed performances obviously but not just that imo, you'll see a lot more homogenous ratings when the team picks up pace even if there are still mixed performances

Claudius

But it was a mixed performance. I think Torreira looked really good yesterday but we are viewing that through a few things

this is a team that has won one in 13
we want our new manager bump
we started strong as a unit but had long stretches where we dropped off, and a few players like Laca really frustrated

So this is the lens people are seeing the game through. I can see why folks might be hesitant to be generous to certain players

Jed

Coombs wrote:
Jed wrote:
Torreira was our MOTM yesterday.

Says quite a lot, I think.

I thought that was our best performance of the season.

Torreira is underrated.

Clrnc

The players all know their roles and positionally very disciplined. Like whenever Xhaka drops back for goalkicks you see AMN going into the middle to form a double pivot. Our average positions is very structured too.

Jed

Emery was absolutely clueless. Arteta has made a lot of impact already and he’s only had 4 training sessions.

Qwiss

Coombs wrote:
They do, and we don't. Torreira is part of that problem, and needs to be offset by someone. He also needs to sort out his touch, looked like passing into a pile of cinderblocks at times. Honestly, unless he becomes technically world class, I don't see the point of him long term. He's basically a utility man with limited utility.

I think Torreira is ok and a useful player to have but he's not a DM and despite his effort and a decent game overall yesterday he is too easily bullied as seen on the goal we conceded.

Anzac

Qwiss! wrote:
Coombs wrote:
They do, and we don't. Torreira is part of that problem, and needs to be offset by someone. He also needs to sort out his touch, looked like passing into a pile of cinderblocks at times. Honestly, unless he becomes technically world class, I don't see the point of him long term. He's basically a utility man with limited utility.

I think Torreira is ok and a useful player to have but he's not a DM and despite his effort and a decent game overall yesterday he is too easily bullied as seen on the goal we conceded.

You'd think he'd be up for it physically having made his mark in the role in Serie A and for Uruguay.

Claudius

Clrnc wrote:
The players all know their roles and positionally very disciplined. Like whenever Xhaka drops back for goalkicks you see AMN going into the middle to form a double pivot. Our average positions is very structured too.

Can’t believe some wanker tagged Unai Emery on this post. Peak petty.
It’s good to see the improved structure. And the bursts of connected build up play. Plus the more compact defending. It’s coming together slowly.

Qwiss

It's also the difference between a team that were on a long winning run when they played us and are 2nd in the league and a team who hadn't had a shot on target for 2 games before scoring against us and are 16th in the league. It's not exactly apples to apples.

goon

It’s also comparing two different formations. We’ve played the 4-2-3-1 under Emery, why not choose one of those games if you’re going to make that comparison?

That being said, our shape and balance was so bad under Emery that it’s bound to improve.

banduan

that's actually a ridiculously structured average position, I wouldn't necessarily expect that from any team. It's normal to have overlapping positions.

The bunching up of the forward line was one of the hallmarks of the Emery team but that's not necessarily a bad thing (although it often was).

Anzac

banduan wrote:
that's actually a ridiculously structured average position, I wouldn't necessarily expect that from any team. It's normal to have overlapping positions.

The bunching up of the forward line was one of the hallmarks of the Emery team but that's not necessarily a bad thing (although it often was).

Our positioning looks much the same after the game today v CFC.
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1376282/MatchReport/England-Premier-League-2019-2020-Arsenal-Chelsea

EDIT - we also saw plenty of overlapping positions in the midfield and attack under AW.

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