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Premier League 19/20

Mirth

Man United - Roy Keane. Violent prick.
Liverpool - Carragher. Annoying prick.
Chelsea - Terry. Racist prick
Man City - Joe Hart. Overrated prick.
Spurs - Dele Alli. Dirty prick.
Everton - Fellaini. Elbowy prick.
Leicester City - Maguire. Gormless prick.
Newcastle United - Barton. Criminal prick.
West Ham - Scott Parker. Tedious prick
Leeds - Bowyer. Fucking prick.
Aston Villa - Barry. Boring prick.
Southampton - Ox. Opinionated prick.

KingslandBarge

@Clrnce Walker, Robertson, Young, Bowyer... absolute poster boys for this.

The Spurs one is hard. Rose, Vertonghen, Bale, Lamela and Adebayor are all cheats, as divers and foul commiters. Dele's drop off in relevancy puts him behind one of those for me.

@[deleted] Joe Hart seems like a good soul to me, even if he dropped off. Seemed to get along well with the Arsenal boys in the England camp. You could tell Wenger really wanted to bring him over

Jens

No player ever tilted me quite like Ruud van Nistelrooy.

Coombs

Man United - Van Nistelrooy feels like the right choice, Keane as well, but I just could not abide Gary Neville as a player.
Liverpool - Stevie Me. What player has ever been more annoying?
Chelsea - Obviously John Terry.
Man City - Craig Bellamy. Gobshite.
Spurs - Dele Alli is like the culmination of all the scum that's risen to their first team. Highest punchability factor of any footballer ever to stain the pitch with their presence.
Everton - Wayne fucking Rooney.
Leicester City - Robbie Savage. Diving idiot. Also, that FA Cup replay loss on penalties with Mike Riley officiating, right between thrashing them in both league games, was annoying.
Newcastle United - Michael Owen. Don't have to explain myself.
West Ham - Kevin Nolan. Clogging cheat.
Leeds - Bowyer. Bad person.
Aston Villa - Ashley Young. His consistent violence on the pitch somehow goes unnoticed in the media.
Southampton - Rory Delap. Garbage footballer who could only play with his hands. Any excuse to flash his abs, it's his Wikipedia photo ffs.

invisibleman18

Fun game. The favourite player one is hard so I'll go for the hated one.

Man United - So many choices it's difficult to go with 1. Nevilles, Keane, Rooney etc but would have to go for Van Nistelrooy at the top of the list.
Liverpool - Suarez
Chelsea - Terry, or Costa
Man City - Barton
Spurs - Dele Alli
Everton - Rooney since he was pipped for the United spot.
Leicester City - Maguire
Newcastle United - Barton - can pick him again right? Remember his first appearance after coming out of prison was coming on as a sub against us and he immediately tried to break Nasri's leg and got up smiling and laughing about it, then later on Nasri got him back and scythed him down from behind.
West Ham - Can I go for Pardew? Otherwise Bowyer.
Leeds - Bowyer (he'd been in for a shout for Newcastle too).
Aston Villa - Ashley Young.
Southampton - Hard one, can't think of anyone that's riled me up that much from them. Have to say Ox then.

Qwiss

Severe lack of Sherringham on these lists

invisibleman18

Haha true forgot him! Maybe add him as my West Ham pick.

KingslandBarge

The Maguire shout is great though. Probably the dirtiest player in the league right now besides Robertson. Every single contact or check is illegal.

He totally tried to break Aguero but ended up getting totally embarrassed. Top moment.

How do you folks feel about the prospect of football players (even managers) taking pay cuts? are there moral grounds just based on their wealth? How about the relative wealth of executives? Think we'll hear some big news today from the FA.

Qwiss

KingslandBarge wrote:
How do you folks feel about the prospect of football players (even managers) taking pay cuts? are there moral grounds just based on their wealth? How about the relative wealth of executives? Think we'll hear some big news today from the FA.

I don't care. Players aren't any where near as rich as owners and other billionaires to the point I think it'd just be for optics.

KingslandBarge

Its been quite an issue with Real Madrid, Juventus and Barcelona funnily enough, and I think it could end up being a tension here soon. You mean it would be optics on the part of club or the players to demonstrate belt tightening through player wage cuts?

Qwiss

KingslandBarge wrote:
Its been quite an issue with Real Madrid, Juventus and Barcelona funnily enough, and I think it could end up being a tension here soon. You mean it would be optics on the part of club or the players to demonstrate belt tightening through player wage cuts?

I don't see why the players should take a hit. It doesn't make any sense. Obviously they earn more than they should but owners, especially at the top of the Premier League, could easily pay the rest of their staff during the crisis without cutting players wages.

KingslandBarge

Yeah if I think in terms of efficient resource distribution then its owners who should be compensating, much more than player wage cuts. I also think from a executive standpoint, this is when you demonstrate your leadership, your values and some capacity to nurture and protect your ship.

However if I think in terms of business management and behavior of business owners through conventions of commerce, the expectation is for the business owner to adjust his resources without an obligation to divert his/her personal wealth. If people in other industries are doing this, should football be held to a different standard? Finally, I think the optics of player wage cuts does have a marginal benefit in terms of societal morale. It hits differently.

Mirth

I think players should consider taking a cut. Granted there are billionaires in the world who should be doing more but that's another subject entirely. Players closely profit on their affinity with fans, build brands and, in many ways, claim to be one of the community. Even a token gesture of 10% would make a huge difference.

And the only reason the club can't directly dock their wages is because of the nature of their employment contract.

jones

If the owner really can't then players should, but generally speaking and definitely for England that's rarely the case. The players are who actually produce the value added by football, the owners are literally leeches in the background doing nothing but supposedly carry the economic risk. Why would I ask Saka or Guendouzi to pay when the parasitic Kroenke clan have literally billions lying around.

Mirth

I guess it's two questions in there. Obviously Kroenke should do a great many things and everyone would rather billionaires did more for society, pandemic or not.

But at times like this the PFA need to gauge which way the wind blows otherwise there will be a backlash and the majority won't direct it at the owners. It's a lot better to act now rather than be forced into it. Footballer salaries are a bit of a political and social punching bag, if the players themselves don't recognise it soon then they're being naive which is why if I was advising them, even a small cut would help and, more importantly, put further pressure on the likes of Levy.

GooneriC

Liverpool have joined Spuds and Newcastle in placing staff on furlough. I hope we dont follow suit, whether its within their rights to do so or not it looks really bad on a club which turns over millions and pays massive salaries to players.

goon

Furloughing staff isn't really a big deal or immoral. It helps protects their jobs in the long term and the clubs can top up their salary to make sure they're still getting full pay.

Qwiss! wrote:
KingslandBarge wrote:
Its been quite an issue with Real Madrid, Juventus and Barcelona funnily enough, and I think it could end up being a tension here soon. You mean it would be optics on the part of club or the players to demonstrate belt tightening through player wage cuts?

I don't see why the players should take a hit. It doesn't make any sense. Obviously they earn more than they should but owners, especially at the top of the Premier League, could easily pay the rest of their staff during the crisis without cutting players wages.

I disagree here. The owners, more often than not billionaires, should absolutely be doing their part one way or another to help society, but I don't think it should be by subsidising the wages of millionaires.

Mirth

GooneriC wrote:
Liverpool have joined Spuds and Newcastle in placing staff on furlough. I hope we dont follow suit, whether its within their rights to do so or not it looks really bad on a club which turns over millions and pays massive salaries to players.

The whole problem is that the club isn't currently bringing in millions. What really matters is how much cash clubs have in their bank accounts.

Clrnc

If they have no cash value in their bank accounts then players should take a paycut since they are the ones not working instead of the non playing staffs

goon

Again, going on furlough doesn't necessarily mean taking a pay cut.

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