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Copa América Brazil 2019

Bold Tone

Typical VAR.
4 minutes too long.

Big Willie

Quincy Abeyie wrote:

I made the line along the grass color change ahead of them and just moved it. Obviously that won't be exactly right, but while it looks very close I can believe that it was offside.

Yeah, it does look offside.

Jed

Messi's time to finally win an international trophy.

RC8

The official broadcast suggested he was about 5 inches offside (less than your line), though even this assumes that only the colombian players' legs are to be assessed in the process. Unsure what the rulebook says in that regard.

Thankfully we won out on penalties anyway. We were the better team by far. Colombians were very keen on going to penalties, which I found quite puzzling.

Ospina made an outstanding save early on to keep them in the game, but was very average after and could have cost them if not for the tight offside call.

If Uruguay beat Perú as, everyone expects them to, Copa América is wide open. Chile-Uruguay has become a bit of a derby in recent years, so with the other semi-final being Brazil-Argentina it'll make for some intense and entertaining football.

Also, Alexis is back in great form. Hadn't seen him play like this since 2017. Hope he kills it for Chile and is too tired to transfer his great form to manU.

QuincyAbeyie

RC8 wrote:
The official broadcast suggested he was about 5 inches offside (less than your line), though even this assumes that only the colombian players' legs are to be assessed in the process. Unsure what the rulebook says in that regard.

My line doesn't really give an exact length as the rulebook state that all bodyparts that are allowed to use also count for offside, if I remember correctly. You can't really see on my line where the shoulders are for example, I'm just pointing out that this doesn't seem like a horrendous call to me.

As to the Colombians wanting to go to penalties, that is quite usual if Chile was by far the better team, is it not? The lesser team will have gotten more than expected value from the match if it goes to penalties, and vice versa.

QuincyAbeyie

Jed wrote:
Messi's time to finally win an international trophy.

Haven't really followed the tourney, but haven't Argentina been awful?

Bryant

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Jed wrote:
Messi's time to finally win an international trophy.

Haven't really followed the tourney, but haven't Argentina been awful?

They've looked pretty good with Messi being poor recently (in the last two games). Lautaro Martinez is looking like the next great Argentinian striker.

Meanwhile, Messi has complained about the pitch:

https://www.sport-english.com/en/news/lionel-messi-the-copa-america-pitches-are-a-disgrace-7527918

MuswellHillGooner

Messi also acknowledged that he isn't playing well
“I am not having my best Copa America,”
but what sums him up is when he spoke about playing up front with Martinez and Aguero
“If we want to play the 3 of us upfront, we have to run".
http://mundoalbiceleste.com/2019/06/29/lionel-messi-on-argentinas-copa-america-its-not-my-best-but-important-is-we-are-winning/

It shows he has learnt from the previous World Cup when the team lost effectiveness after they lost the ball carrying of Di Maria.

The game is the boost the tournament needed worldwide as Argentina vs Brazil is not played often and less so in tournaments as Aguero said in the post-match interview.

Jed

Uruguay knocked out on penalties. Looks like Chile will make the final yet again.

MuswellHillGooner

This COPA has been boring.
Only one team out of eight scored in the quarter-finals.

Big Willie

At least Uruguay are out because of Suarez missed penalty. Must have bitten off more than he could chew.

RC8

Muswell Hill Gooner wrote:
This COPA has been boring.
Only one team out of eight scored in the quarter-finals.

Ridiculous. But VAR has played a big part in that.

[font=Source Sans Pro]My line doesn't really give an exact length as the rulebook state that all bodyparts that are allowed to use also count for offside, if I remember correctly. You can't really see on my line where the shoulders are for example, I'm just pointing out that this doesn't seem like a horrendous call to me. [/font]

[font=Source Sans Pro]As to the Colombians wanting to go to penalties, that is quite usual if Chile was by far the better team, is it not? The lesser team will have gotten more than expected value from the match if it goes to penalties, and vice versa. [/font]

Yes, if you draw the line from the colombian player's head and shoulders to the ground you see the chilean player was not offside. It's only if you count his feet as the only relevant body part that the chilean player appears to be offside by 5 inches or so. I don't think VAR officials could argue that this thing was offside beyond reasonable doubt, and as such I think it should have stood.

Chile was much better on the day, but Colombia had been having a much better Copa América and were favourites to get to the final. I am surprised that, throughout the game, they were happy to sit back and counter (very unsuccessfully). I guess maybe they didn't count on their counters being so ineffective, but I genuinely expected them to have us against the ropes for part of the match.

QuincyAbeyie

Drawing the line that way would be wrong. If a player stands completely still his feet and shoulder will be equally positioned offside/onside-wise, but if I move the line from the feet to the shoulder it would change a lot. Your suggestion would only work if the photo was taken directly from above.

RC8

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Drawing the line that way would be wrong. If a player stands completely still his feet and shoulder will be equally positioned offside/onside-wise, but if I move the line from the feet to the shoulder it would change a lot. Your suggestion would only work if the photo was taken directly from above.

Let me put it this way: it is obvious from that angle that it is very close when you only consider their feet. We know from other TV angles that the colombian player was leaning forward towards his own goal at the time, and thus using only his feet for reference is not accurate. Considering that by the time the chilean player receives the ball that was slowly lobbed to him there are four colombian players ahead of him, I don't think giving that as an offside is a sensible decision.

Just like you shouldn't give a penalty from an unintentional and inconsequential handball because 'maybe it touched his hand', you should not disallow goals based on speculative nonsense like this.

Sicario

Could this Copa America save Alexis’ career as an elite player? Hope he is not too rejuvenated for Utd.

MuswellHillGooner

I don't think his career as an elite is salvageable.
Age has set in and the zip is gone.

Sicario

Muswell Hill Gooner wrote:
I don't think his career as an elite is salvageable.
Age has set in and the zip is gone.

Yes but winning the Copa america with his country could give him a second wind

flobaba

He’ll just come back tired and jaded and injury prone.

Ricky1985

This is his last hurrah. He can't run any more though, so his days at the top end of football are behind him

lorddulaarsenal

He’s top heavy and his once muscular lean body is now pure dad bod

Used to be springy now has lost that burst

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