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Unai Emery - Initial thoughts

lorddulaarsenal

Yep. Investment in players is much needed. Only then will Emery be able to shape the team as he desires

Bold Tone

Claudius wrote:
I think it really comes down to Ramsey. I think we need to make big decisions on both players this mo the.

Ozil is getting some chances and it isn’t happening. This funk seems interminable, at least at Arsenal, so we should put him out of his misery soon. I’ll miss him, but another half year of this isn’t going to benefit anyone.
Ramsey - if we are sitting him because he is departing, might as well leave now, even at a discount. Again, who does it serve to have such an important asset sitting around being underutilized?

My thinking is he has given both enough rope to hang themselves.
Ramsey's gone due to his contract situation and Ozil will be gone as soon as he can get someone to accept to pay that wage bill.

banduan

I'm very biased here but I'd bin Ozil, renegotiate to keep Rambo.

Rambo is more of an Emery player anyway. Even more so if we persist with this blasted 3-4-1-2.

Jed

Same. I'd keep Ramsey over Ozil all day long. Ramsey is a legend as well, made his mark at this club with vital goals and performances in big games, something we've never seen from Ozil.

speedy

Jed wrote:
Same. I'd keep Ramsey over Ozil all day long. Ramsey is a legend as well, made his mark at this club with vital goals and performances in big games, something we've never seen from Ozil.

Ramsey had that offer on the table a long time without signing it. He was obviously stalling. But after the club's broke off negotiations I can't imagine and inflated ego prem player looking to negotiate.

mdgoonah41

speedy wrote:
Jed wrote:
Same. I'd keep Ramsey over Ozil all day long. Ramsey is a legend as well, made his mark at this club with vital goals and performances in big games, something we've never seen from Ozil.

Ramsey had that offer on the table a long time without signing it. He was obviously stalling. But after the club's broke off negotiations I can't imagine and inflated ego prem player looking to negotiate.

given his quotes after the club pulled the offer, he was clearly stalling to try and negotiate better terms, because he seemed disappointed the club wasnt willing to negotiate anymore. i do wonder if they will come back to him at some point with a slightly improved offer, and if he really wants to stay, if he'll take it.

speedy

I though he was just carefully deflecting blame onto the club despite having an offer on the table for a year.

Rohit

He doesn't have that reputation of building defensively solid sides but after Wenger I thought we would surely see an improvement. Disappointingly, we are still prone to mistakes and poor organization. Don't think much will change till personnel changes either.

DiabyKungFu

Rohit wrote:
He doesn't have that reputation of building defensively solid sides but after Wenger I thought we would surely see an improvement. Disappointingly, we are still prone to mistakes and poor organization. Don't think much will change till personnel changes either.

The problem is that we're only playing with 3 defensive midfielders at a time. We need to add at least another 1 or 2 more in order to unleash the full power of Merryball.

Shady

My verdict so far is that he's a marginal improvement on what we saw with Wenger last season. The squad is poor. I think two more transfer windows is a fair enough time-frame to really improve things.

If things are similar a year from now, then I'll be worried.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Pretty much.

Disappointed with him recently though. Bizarre stuff happening

Coombs

I was on board with him when he was imposing a consistent, logical system on players that don't necessarily fit it, because it needs to be established and it has to be clear what kind of players we need moving forward. The system is basically an adaptable 4231/4222/433 that builds from deep, asks the FBs to overlap, and uses asymmetrical overloads, quick switches of play, and cutbacks from the byline.

What the hell happened? I know everyone got injured, but abandoning the entire philosophy seems borderline insane.

I am maintaining the belief that he made the decision to be more practical according to the personnel, which are not very good. Ozil is ineffectual regardless of where he plays, Ramsey is gone and was never really good enough anyway, so not playing them isn't what's doing my head in...it's the haphazard formations, like playing one old CB in the center with the other two pinned on either touchline, and expecting not to get ripped to shreds.

The circumstances are making me pretty hesitant to 'blame' Emery for all of this. I think there might be better ways to deal with it, but I'm honestly not certain that we'd be getting better results than we have.

Squad needs an overhaul. If he were doing this shit with a fit squad + a winger and a CB, then I'd be very concerned.

goon

I’m with you Coombs. The squad isn’t in very good shape right now but he isn’t helping himself by mariginalising the bonified too four qualit players we do have fit nd available. He also needs to stick with 1 idea, he’s all over the place tactically. The half time changes have become ridiculous.

Also, in before DKF posts about running stats.

Gazza M

making dodgy decisions since the spurs win, and things have started turning the wrong way. we'll see what kind of response emery gets from the squad. we have to hold on for dear life and fight through the xmas period

Anzac

Shady wrote:
My verdict so far is that he's a marginal improvement on what we saw with Wenger last season. The squad is poor. I think two more transfer windows is a fair enough time-frame to really improve things.

If things are similar a year from now, then I'll be worried.

However the caveat to the time frame is in terms of how much he is supported in the market in order to sign the type of players he needs.

As such 3 seasons may not be long enough if he's only allowed to sign kids and 1-2 senior players per season.

I very much feel that the club prefer to develop our own players rather than signing a starting team that is fit for purpose.

Anzac

Coombs wrote:
I was on board with him when he was imposing a consistent, logical system on players that don't necessarily fit it, because it needs to be established and it has to be clear what kind of players we need moving forward. The system is basically an adaptable 4231/4222/433 that builds from deep, asks the FBs to overlap, and uses asymmetrical overloads, quick switches of play, and cutbacks from the byline.

What the hell happened? I know everyone got injured, but abandoning the entire philosophy seems borderline insane.

I am maintaining the belief that he made the decision to be more practical according to the personnel, which are not very good. Ozil is ineffectual regardless of where he plays, Ramsey is gone and was never really good enough anyway, so not playing them isn't what's doing my head in...it's the haphazard formations, like playing one old CB in the center with the other two pinned on either touchline, and expecting not to get ripped to shreds.

The circumstances are making me pretty hesitant to 'blame' Emery for all of this. I think there might be better ways to deal with it, but I'm honestly not certain that we'd be getting better results than we have.

Squad needs an overhaul. If he were doing this shit with a fit squad + a winger and a CB, then I'd be very concerned.

The last line sums it up for me.

Agreed that the current issues are related to injuries and a lack of competence in the squad re the previous regime's training and coaching style, whereas Emery's style of play demands that the players are at least capable of the basics of their position and role.

Anzac

Gazza M wrote:
making dodgy decisions since the spurs win, and things have started turning the wrong way. we'll see what kind of response emery gets from the squad. we have to hold on for dear life and fight through the xmas period

I think the team selection today v TH validated my comments that I thought the selection v Saints was made with this game in mind.

As such I then think that these decisions need to be put into that sort of context, along with the realisation that the squad depth/capability isn't there.

We said under AW that the squad was basically a 1 trick pony and incapable of competing in more than 1 comp at a time.
Spending money in the last season didn't change that and neither has changing the manager.

Perhaps the reality is that Emery has had the squad punching above it's reality and was making hay whilst the sun shone.

I also think the team can do better in terms of selections and formation,
but in order to do so at this time means that we are only able to concentrate on 1 competition alone.
In this regard the squad has shown that they are capable of a decent Cup type run even as the league performances deteriorated.

Even if this is the cold harsh reality re only being capable of sustaining our performance capability in 1 comp,
I think we have until after the Jan window to see if we can improve that level of performance or even extend it over more than 1 comp,
let alone to then decide which comp we may need to concentrate upon.

Clrnc

I don't hate the 3 ATB formation that much if we have the proper players to play out for him. I get what he is trying to do, but we need better wing backs for that formation to work. If he wants that for the long run we need at least a LWB, a passing CB and 2 new attacking mids.

Anzac

Clrnc wrote:
I don't hate the 3 ATB formation that much if we have the proper players to play out for him. I get what he is trying to do, but we need better wing backs for that formation to work. If he wants that for the long run we need at least a LWB, a passing CB and 2 new attacking mids.

Even if we look to play his preferred 4231 we still need essentially much the same in terms of players.

Claudius

The 4231 does a better job of emphasizing attacking talents which we have a bit more of, even with the Welbeck injury

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