Other clubs transfer thread Summer 2017 ( Barcelona sign Dembele): Page 21 - The Arsenal discussion community: One More in the Tolly

Other clubs transfer thread Summer 2017 ( Barcelona sign Dembele)

IBL

The prices for players have gone crazy, like London property prices!

Gunner89

Rooney should be free anyway. He's finished.

JazzG

Talk this deal is £75m + addons. Also includes Rooney joining Everton on a free contract.

Qwiss! wrote:
TBF he's about as good at the big man CF role as Giroud. The fact he can play both off the shoulder and as a target man is what makes him worth £75m to United.

Giroud's hold up play and link up play is far superior imo, like you say what he does have on Giroud is he can play off the shoulder and that is where his pace and power becomes valuable. However the ball sticks to Giroud and he has shown he can link up superbly with players around him.

Ricky1985

Gunner89 wrote:
Rooney should be free anyway. He's finished.

I actually think Rooney will do well at Everton. Probably depends who they put in front of him, but as a Number 10 with the attack built around him, I think he'll put some good numbers up and have a good impact on their game.

Ricky1985

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Not even aware of what his agent has said, but found it interesting just how grovelling he is being made to be in that video. PSG and there owners think an awful lot of themselves.

Qwiss

goon wrote:
Put it this way, Giroud's mins per goal ratio over the last 5 seasons is actually marginally better than Lukaku's (158 vs 153). Why have we all been crying out for a new striker for the last half decade?

Because Lukaku is only coming into his peak years while Giroud is leaving them.

Gazza M

Chelsea match yaniteds bid. Get the popcorn

Clrnc

Chelsea is still his first choice anyway.

Daz

Qwiss! wrote:
goon wrote:
Put it this way, Giroud's mins per goal ratio over the last 5 seasons is actually marginally better than Lukaku's (158 vs 153). Why have we all been crying out for a new striker for the last half decade?

Because Lukaku is only coming into his peak years while Giroud is leaving them.

Stop talking sense Qs

Gazza M

I don't understand how people can see much upside with lukaku. He's going to keep doing what he's been doing, but whether that translates to a big club is a huge question mark given his style of play and limitations.

You can be a great scorer while limiting your team in other ways. By this logic replacing benzema with the vastly more clinical lukaku would put real Madrid into a whole new stratosphere. Not many Chelsea fan seem to feel replacing costa with lukaku makes them a better side either, and lukaku has comfortably outscored him the last 2 seasons

QuincyAbeyie

Stop talking sense Gazza

TambourineMan

United confirm Lukaku deal short of medical and personal terms. Would be funny if he Ramsey's them.

goon

Daz wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
Because Lukaku is only coming into his peak years while Giroud is leaving them.

Stop talking sense Qs

I thought it was undeniable fact you were buying into not potential? 😆

Stop moving goalposts Daz.

jones

Qwiss! wrote:
JazzG wrote:
His all round game isn't what I'd expect for a £75m player even though his goal scoring record goes a long way in justifying his hype. His game did improve last season but at a top club where teams will sit back and not give him space to run into it will need to improve further.

TBF he's about as good at the big man CF role as Giroud. The fact he can play both off the shoulder and as a target man is what makes him worth £75m to United.

That's just not true though. Lukaku's size is deceptive both in him being way faster than you'd assume but also in him being a horrible target man, ask any Everton fan and they'll concur. Giroud is so far superior in that part of his game it's not even close

This is great. Whoever gets him will have wasted a ridiculous sum on a great athlete and painfully shit footballer. Hope Milan can sign Morata in the mean time leaving one of them strikerless next season

JazzG

Tambourine Man wrote:
United confirm Lukaku deal short of medical and personal terms. Would be funny if he Ramsey's them.

True but Man Utd hold a big advantage in that they are giving Everton Rooney as part of the deal. I reckon Everton would be much more likely to take that even if Chelsea offer a bit more.

Qwiss

Lukaku has gotten better and better each season. There is a reason why United and Chelsea are both willing to pay big money for him. The idea that he holds the team back while scoring loads of goals takes a real stretch of the imagination.

All that said though I hope he's a massive flop for United (or Chelsea). I don't think he'll score as many under Mourinho as he did for Everton this year anyway, simply because of the way Mourinho operates, he never really has his strikers scoring loads of goals. If he gets 20 it'll be a very good season for him.

Daz

goon wrote:
Daz wrote:
Stop talking sense Qs

I thought it was undeniable fact you were buying into not potential? 😆

Stop moving goalposts Daz.

No goalposts being moved by me mate so quit being a knob. You're the one that's been muddying the debate here by bringing up Henry, Bergkamp and complete forwards blah blah blah. None of which are things I've mentioned. As I've said along, Lukaku is a very good striker who has shown he can score goals consistently, and that shouldn't be disregarded just because he has limitations to his game (which very few 24 year old strikers don't) or because you or others might have a preference for a different type of forward. Sure, the money he seems to be moving for is mental, but that's the market's fault, not the player's.

goon

Your original point was essentially that goals are all that matter and that the other aspects of his game that are weak are just asthetic. As of yet you've not countered a single one of my points, whether it's by dismissing the Giroud question with a one liner (one could argue you were being a Knob), or completely ignoring my point about how his limitations could effect the whole teams effectiveness when attacking. All you keep saying now is he's a good forward who scores goals, a point that no one is arguing with you about.

goon

JazzG wrote:
Tambourine Man wrote:
United confirm Lukaku deal short of medical and personal terms. Would be funny if he Ramsey's them.

True but Man Utd hold a big advantage in that they are giving Everton Rooney as part of the deal. I reckon Everton would be much more likely to take that even if Chelsea offer a bit more.

Chelsea are unwilling to pay a massive "commission" fee to Raiola too apparently. If anyone ever wanted evidence of footballers being stupid, look no further than these guys who effectively allow their agent to dictate where they are going to play.

Gazza M

please let them spend 150m on dier and lukaku

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