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Ozil contract talks

GooneriC

No chance. Most of our Fans are weak minded and are all talk and no action.

Jed

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:
Papers running with the story Alexis wants to force a move to Chelsea

Would be a sorry state of affairs if that happened

Yeah, PSG also want him but his heart is apparently set on Chelsea. Contract terms agreed as well.

Sad times

GooneriC

Disgraceful if true. Wenger and Egghead should both be done away with promptly if that transfer happens.

SimplyThePest

Chelsea will:

Pay more than us
Win more than us
Enable him to stay in London

Why would he stay at Arsenal?

Anzac

If CFC have been talking to him then they need to have obtained the club's permission to do so,
other wise it's tapping up. As I understand it the only way Sanchez can talk to anyone in the PL is as a free agent when his contract expires, as the Bosman only comes into effect in the last 6 months and only applies to non domestic clubs.

speedy

Everyone "taps up" its standard, otherwise you've have to agree a fee for the player before you ask if he's interested in a move. You could spend half a window negotiating a fee.

Anzac

speedy wrote:
Everyone "taps up" its standard, otherwise you've have to agree a fee for the player before you ask if he's interested in a move. You could spend half a window negotiating a fee.

No you don't - you only need to establish that the club is prepared to sell & then you ask permission to talk to the player.
AW looks to agree terms with the player and leave the transfer fee to the last act, as he wants to be sure the player will put pen to paper.

Sometimes AW will 'enquire' and there may be a ball park figure established between the 2 clubs before you talk to the player - this is what happened when we tried to sign Higuaín & then RM upped the price once Cavani was sold and Napoli had money burning a hole in their pocket.

It's also another reason why AW says he will never look to sign a player unless their club says they are willing to listen, unless there is a release clause in play = it's why he walked away without making an offer for Martial. When he was asked after he was sold to ManU AW said he had enquired and been told the player was not for sale.

Anzac

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/transfer-talk/79/post/3095566/arsenal-ready-to-snub-chelsea-wind-down-alexis-sanchez-contract

Jed

A summer where Sanchez leaves for Chelsea and Wenger staying on for another 2 years.

Those two events would confirm that this club is finished. In Chelsea and Tottenham's shadows for the next decade potentially.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Burn the whole club down if this shit happens! If he refuses to renew with us, and then leaves on a free to Chelsea, fine, because that would be out of our hands. But to LET this happen now?

Anzac

Didn't we hear the same sort of BS prior to RVP being sold to ManU?

BWoolley

Most likely outcome I think.

speedy

Anzac wrote:
speedy wrote:
Everyone "taps up" its standard, otherwise you've have to agree a fee for the player before you ask if he's interested in a move. You could spend half a window negotiating a fee.

No you don't - you only need to establish that the club is prepared to sell & then you ask permission to talk to the player.
AW looks to agree terms with the player and leave the transfer fee to the last act, as he wants to be sure the player will put pen to paper.

Sometimes AW will 'enquire' and there may be a ball park figure established between the 2 clubs before you talk to the player - this is what happened when we tried to sign Higuaín & then RM upped the price once Cavani was sold and Napoli had money burning a hole in their pocket.

It's also another reason why AW says he will never look to sign a player unless their club says they are willing to listen, unless there is a release clause in play = it's why he walked away without making an offer for Martial. When he was asked after he was sold to ManU AW said he had enquired and been told the player was not for sale.

Think about it a club is not going to give you permission to unsettle a player unless your very close on price and only trashing out the small details.

Clubs ring agents and the call lasts about 2 minutes and they say would player be interested playing in italy. . for inter . . . 60k ish. And the agent will say yes or he has offers in england for 100k so he's not prepared to go below that. After that the club will talk with the other club.

The other thing which isn't really mentioned is during negotiations the club often withdraw permission for the player to chat to the club as a tactic. So even after permission is granted it can just be taken back. Obviously they still chat they just can't sign anything like a pre contract then.

Clrnc

Qwiss! wrote:
If he goes to Chelsea and Wenger signs there's a good chance Kroenke, Chips and the rest of the boys will be beheaded by the fan base.

Should have happened when they let RVP go to United and then Wenger came out at the end of the season to say he knew United will win the league when they signed RVP.

Qwiss

Anzac wrote:
this is what happened when we tried to sign Higuaín & then RM upped the price once Cavani was sold and Napoli had money burning a hole in their pocket.

I hate reading this pathetic excuse for why we didn't get Higuain. We made and offer and then Real got a better offer but we are supposed to act like Real screwed us over? Napoli correctly realised he was worth more than we offered, they got 3 great seasons out of him and then sold him for a €50m profit. Wenger fucked up and undervalued a top class forward, its his modus operandi for the last 12 years.

goon

I always thought it was down to us making Suarez our first choice. Higuain was done and dusted long before that saga ended. That being said, you feel like a more competent team could have kept him hanging on.

Qwiss

Yeah it was because we went after Suarez once Napoli joined the race for Higuain. That whole saga typifies the ridiculous way we do business IMO. Higuain was there ready to sign for us but we pulled out to chase a player we thought we could get through a clause that we couldn't trigger whether it was there or not. We offered a weird bid with the extra £1 and then we didn't follow up despite signals from Liverpool that they'd sell for another £10m or so (a Torres like fee I believe they said).

Claudius

50 Cent has a song called Window Shopper, about cats who like to go look at expensive stuff they can't afford. Should've just stuck Wenger in the video. I doubt the mega agents even return our calls.

BWoolley

I doubt we even make those calls. Perfect Nash equillibrium.

Burnwinter

Although it would hurt like hell, if Sanchez is desperate to leave then get rid of him—even to Chelsea.

The most outrageous outgoing deals don't matter, all that matters is a relentlessly positive response from the club. Sanchez leaves? Then sign two bigger players than him.

That's where we fucked up on the RVP scenario and in many other situations, not in letting him leave.

It would be a mistake to tie Sanchez down to his contract. Let him go, get in a new manager, Sanchez's absence takes the pressure off the new guy a bit.

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