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The Havertz's Knee Memorial Injury Thread

Qwiss

flobaba wrote:
Now comes Arteta’s real test right? It’s periods like these you earn your stripes as a manager. Tough round of games, less than ideal squad composition. How do we look going into January, and coming out of the AFCON

Yep. If he can keep the recent form going through till the end of AFCON he'll be on his way to proving something.

jones

Ricky1985 wrote:
Oh my bad, sorry. I thought I read he had helped them qualify (saw a clip of him dancing in the drrssing room), but thinking about it for more than 2 seconds, I've realised that Gabon qualifying is very unlikely! 😆

Nobody's qualified so far anyway, this was just the pre-qualifying for the final round 😆 The ten group winners will play in knockout ties deciding which five nations will go to Qatar.

Big teams who will miss out so far are Cote d'Ivoire and South Africa, the latter level on points with Ghana with equal GD and just goals scored fewer, courtesy of a dodgy penalty last night to boot.

Clrnc

The African qualifiers grouping is dodgy. Some big teams together and some groups have 4 weaker teams. Poor Ivory Coast...

Coombs

Pretty incomprehensible honestly. These convoluted qualifier systems have to be scrapped. Playoffs in general are quite stupid if you ask me.

jones

Issue is not with the qualifying, it's with ruling that Africa with close to 60 countries has five qualifying spots.

goon

They should have limited the number of European spots as is when they decided to expand it, I can live without Wales, Ukraine and Macedonia in the World Cup, would much rather see more teams from Asia and Africa - maybe 10 each.

Klaus

Clrnc

jones wrote:
Issue is not with the qualifying, it's with ruling that Africa with close to 60 countries has five qualifying spots.

The quality of the other 40 countries are really low though. Asia have many countries too but quality like Africa is concentrated at the top teams and only have 4.5 spots which still works fairly well generally due to the qualifying format. Group J and E is ridiculously weak in quality then you have South Africa, Ghana / Ivory Coast Cameroon grouped together 3 of the strongest teams in Africa. Not sure how their seeding panned out.

I think both South and North America have the best qualifying format.

jones

Clrnc wrote:
jones wrote:
Issue is not with the qualifying, it's with ruling that Africa with close to 60 countries has five qualifying spots.

The quality of the other 40 countries are really low though. Asia have many countries too but quality like Africa is concentrated at the top teams and only have 4.5 spots which still works fairly well generally due to the qualifying format. Group J and E is ridiculously weak in quality then you have South Africa, Ghana / Ivory Coast Cameroon grouped together 3 of the strongest teams in Africa. Not sure how their seeding panned out.

I think both South and North America have the best qualifying format.

There will always be difficult groups or seeding issues, even in Europe you have shit teams like Wales or Fyrom still in the mix because they were drawn into poor groups while Norway with their best team in ages is out. With Africa the qualifying could be better but with just five spots there will 100% be decent teams missing out, even spreading the good teams out over all groups wouldn't change that plus it would just deprive others from the chance of playing in the WC which Congo and especially Mali definitely deserved after this qualification.

flobaba

I take your point about the decent teams missing out jones, but that happens everywhere. But clrnc is right - the football quality on display in some of the African qualifiers is pukeworthy. Tried watching last week - couldn’t make it through the entire 90 minutes even when it was Nigeria playing against Cape Verde, and we are supposed to be one of the better squads.

HomeSteak

Arteta confirms Tomiyasu is a doubt for Watford game on Sunday.

The guys is injured a lot, how many games is it already this season?
Looked into it, the season before this, he was out 3 times with 3 different injuries for 54 days(and of course he had a calf injury then as well)
The 2019/2020 season he missed 76 days with injury...

JazzG

Didn't we rush him back for the Liverpool cup game? He looked all over the place in that game as well.

Clrnc

Yeah find it hard to blame him. He was still injured and played through injections for that game. No surprise he aggravated it badly after that.

Qwiss

HomeSteak wrote:

Arteta confirms Tomiyasu is a doubt for Watford game on Sunday.

The guys is injured a lot, how many games is it already this season?
Looked into it, the season before this, he was out 3 times with 3 different injuries for 54 days(and of course he had a calf injury then as well)
The 2019/2020 season he missed 76 days with injury...

We need good rotation fullbacks on both sides if we are in the CL next season. Tomi and Tierney are 2 players you really don't want to be pushing too hard over a season.

Panda

If Tierney is out for the rest of the season and Partey for the rest of the month (both speculative timeframes from me) then more costly points will be dropped and the Champions League race will be a distant memory by the end of the season.

We all knew we had to keep our first choice 11 fit to stand a chance of Champions League qualification.

QuincyAbeyie

That's why the January window was madness.

Gazza M

we've been fortunate with injuries during this run. if partry is sidelined or impaired for the next month you might as well pack it in. the whole system falls apart without him

KurtEisner

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
That's why the January window was madness.

It really was. If Partey's out for longer than 1 or 2 games, we're fucked. And what are the odds Lacazette scores another goal this year? We need 2 midfielders and 2 strikers anyway, should have gotten one of each in the winter, didn't even have to be a longterm solution or the "right" player. Just someone to ensure we don't have to start all of Tavares, Lokonga, Cedric, Laca and Xhaka against the likes of ManUtd or Spurs. That's half our team against Brighton most likely and none of them is good enough.

Clrnc

To be honest lets not overreact. We did badly in Jan window but Palace was always a game most expected us to drop points.

I think its just that the nature of the performance is so bad we are all angry.

KingslandBarge

Tierney having surgery and out for the season. Once I realized this season that Tierney was playing a limited game, I wasn't going to put much credence in his performances this campaign. The only thing I expected of him was to put together a half-season of just being a fit, selectable and soaking majority of minutes on offer. That would have been worthwhile in itself but alas. Soares, Saka, Xhaka, Tavares need to step up. Club needs to look into Doig, Cucurella, other talents for depth.

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