Champions League 16/17: Page 40 - The Arsenal discussion community: One More in the Tolly

Champions League 16/17

goon

Yeah, all the top clubs are are bad as each other, which one you dislike more depends on which one has been fucking you over more recently.

Klaus

Mirth wrote:
They were punished but that league has had to suffer a lot because of their actions which I don't believe they've sufficiently atoned for - and neither do a lot of Italian football fans.

This is spot on. Relegating Juve without doing somehing about all the power they held in Italy was like handling a billionaire a £10 million fine. It was a momentary setback that barely registered in the bigger perspective. They're actually better now than they've been since the mid-90s - which was a period when they were doped out of their minds in addition to all the match-fixing. You also had GEA, the sports agency Luciano Moggi and his son ran, that were outright extorting and blackmailing people with Mafia-like methods.

Juve aren't alone in misbehaving, but they have done more than anyone else to destroy Italian football. There will never be anything moral about that club no matter who you're trying to contrast them to.

Mirth

goon wrote:
Yeah, all the top clubs are are bad as each other, which one you dislike more depends on which one has been fucking you over more recently.

True! 10 years ago Madrid were the annoying ones who kept trying to tap up Vieira and Cole.

Bold Tone

For me, these top team are so far in the horizon it doesn't bother me.
Leicester, on the other hand, ...

BWoolley

Really want to get Allegri - anyone who can keep MSN at bay like this is worth getting. Never mind the corruption, never mind everything else - this is a great performance for 135 mins so far. I know they haven't quite been the force this year that they were in the last couple of years, but this is still a great defensive performance.

Shady

Mirth wrote:
I love how it's only been over a decade since they were relegated for match fixing and Juventus are some how seen as the 'nice guys' who don't 'cheat'. 😆

I'd forgotten about that tbf 😆

flobaba

Mbappe needs to improve his fitness/stamina

3-1 Monaco

Jed

Defensive masterclass from Allegri.

Too good for Arsenal.

flobaba

Big baby Neymar

Tony Montana

BWoolley wrote:
Really want to get Allegri - anyone who can keep MSN at bay like this is worth getting. Never mind the corruption, never mind everything else - this is a great performance for 135 mins so far. I know they haven't quite been the force this year that they were in the last couple of years, but this is still a great defensive performance.

Why would Allegri come here? More money?

BWoolley

I guess. Hopefully he wins the CL this year and wants to move on to a new challenge. And few jobs as challenging as Arsenal at the moment.

Klaus

There's only one motivation and that's money. It's a pretty good one though.

Bryant

Klaus wrote:
Mirth wrote:
They were punished but that league has had to suffer a lot because of their actions which I don't believe they've sufficiently atoned for - and neither do a lot of Italian football fans.

This is spot on. Relegating Juve without doing somehing about all the power they held in Italy was like handling a billionaire a £10 million fine. It was a momentary setback that barely registered in the bigger perspective. They're actually better now than they've been since the mid-90s - which was a period when they were doped out of their minds in addition to all the match-fixing. You also had GEA, the sports agency Luciano Moggi and his son ran, that were outright extorting and blackmailing people with Mafia-like methods.

Juve aren't alone in misbehaving, but they have done more than anyone else to destroy Italian football. There will never be anything moral about that club no matter who you're trying to contrast them to.

There's been a lot of complaints about the ref calls they get this year too. (http://www.goal.com/en/news/8/main/2017/03/11/33512762/its-always-them-milan-fury-only-adds-to-controversy-over)

Higuain will be their downfall in UCL! 😆

Clrnc

goon wrote:
Watching Dortmund against Monaco has put me off the idea of Tuchel taking charge here. They've looked dire going forward and flakey as fuck at the back.

Yeah. Basically Tuchel has been found out this season a little, especially in the German League. His defence is horrendous and his attacks depend too much on individual players form.

Jardim on the other hand, going from strength to strength. I will see hope back in football if Monaco wins the UCL.

Gazza M

juve will win this imo. keeping barca scoreless over 2 legs (even though barca have been rocky this season) is serious stuff

Claudius

Shady wrote:
Mirth wrote:
I love how it's only been over a decade since they were relegated for match fixing and Juventus are some how seen as the 'nice guys' who don't 'cheat'. 😆

I'd forgotten about that tbf 😆

i don't recall anyone on this forum describing Juve as the nice guys that don't cheat. my personal gripe with Barca is that they are as bad as the worst clubs (Real, Juve, etc.), but somehow get away with it because they're such a 'pure' team. i can't stand them. i want very much to love them but can't. fuck 'em!

on Allegri, two straight weeks of defensive masterclass. we have not defended so stoutly in over a decade now. we have to make Allegri a priority. he would've been in the chase for 1st/2nd with the current team we have. we score enough goals. we're just too open in the back.

Qwiss

goon

😆

Ricky1985

Clrnc wrote:
goon wrote:
Watching Dortmund against Monaco has put me off the idea of Tuchel taking charge here. They've looked dire going forward and flakey as fuck at the back.

Yeah. Basically Tuchel has been found out this season a little, especially in the German League. His defence is horrendous and his attacks depend too much on individual players form.

Jardim on the other hand, going from strength to strength. I will see hope back in football if Monaco wins the UCL.

In Tuchel's defence I'd say he has a woeful set of defenders to pick from. Burki is also a pretty average goalkeeper to boot.

They also lack quality generally. He has to play a lot of average players and young players. Other than Aubameyang, who wouldn't get near any of the big boys teams, and Reus, who's always injured, they don't have anything like a top player. Not sure on him myself but I wouldn't write him off just yet.

Clrnc

His set of defenders is a lot better than most Bundesliga teams, and the quality of the Dortmund side is also much better than say Leipizig and Hoffenheim who is performing much better than them. I have seen his team play really poorly and drop stupid points in a lot of matches this season, often leaving themselves too exposed because of the team's shape.

I don't even think on paper the Monaco team has a more quality squad than Dortmund for starters, nobody would think so at the start of the season certainly. They are younger but more well managed and coached in many situations.

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