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UK Politics Omnishambles

Burnwinter

Kel Varnsen wrote:
I don't know enough about UK politics to answer that. I know of only the usual suspects: Boris, May, Rees-Mogg etc. They seem like clowns to me (not that labor seem any better)..

Same to be honest. My personal respect for Corbyn's long history of principled integrity in the Commons, which is highly unusual and commendable, is being tested by the ambiguity of Labour's position on Europe, freedom of movement and basically, nationalism.

I'm not in the UK and it's not my vote, but if it were, nothing on offer would express my thinking. And that's the crisis of representation I think a surprising number of people feel. Including probably a lot of Brexit Party voters who would deep down know Farage is an awful piece of work.

It's funny that at the same time as we become more polar in our opinions, our perception of whether they will be realised diminishes, so the stakes at polls are somehow lower. That's what we've just experienced in Australia—an awful incumbent government returned, which seems to have happened mainly because the Opposition couldn't convince voters it could actually do anything.

goon

It’s pretty amazing seeing both Labour and the Tories take such a battering. Probably reflects more poorly on Labour given that they should have been shielded from the mess over the last three years. What is does show is the country is as polarised on ever on Brexit.

Mirth

On an unrelated note, Change UK is the most pointless political party in the history of the world.

Mirth

goon wrote:
What is does show is the country is as polarised on ever on Brexit.

Yep, it really is. Calling a second referendum honestly is not a foregone conclusion

goon

Mirth wrote:
On an unrelated note, Change UK is the most pointless political party in the history of the world.

They’re like a team off the apprentice, from the god awful convoluted name, the gaffes in between all the way down to the dreadful result at the end. They really should swallow their pride and join the Lib Dem’s if they’ll still have them.

Burnwinter

Change UK are a bunch of careerist shits most of whom were facing deselection (I'd argue rightly so) in the medium term given the composition of Labour's membership and their constant work against "Corbynism".

The point has been made that if the then popularity of Corbyn's version of Labour hadn't reduced May's majority so dramatically in the Commons in 2017, she would probably still be around.

A lot of pundits refer to "anti-politics" and a long running "detachment" from politics as usual, but as soon as something worthwhile is on offer we'll see that detachment resoundingly reversed, I believe.

goon

I don’t think there’s a detachment from politics, I think this is as engaged as people have ever been, I also think it can only be a good thing if people are thinking about who to vote for rather than just going along with the habit of a lifetime. Remains to be seen whether that can be maintained once the Brexit issue is resolved one way or another.

goon

Looks like a Harry Potter villain but Rory Stewart seems like the best of the candidates by quite a distance. Of course, doing things like ruling out no deal Brexit and saying things like you’ll talk to Labour pretty much rules out the Tory membership ever voting him in.

Burnwinter

Dunno about UK Prime Minister, but I'd take him as Arsenal manager. His experiences during the "reconstruction" of Iraq would be highly relevant.

I appreciate the Citizens' Assembly suggestion.

The Brexit referendum was a symbolic moment that's been converted by what Article 50 and the structure of the EU actually involves into a concrete nightmare. It does make sense that detailed, non-adversarial dialogue with the people who will actually be affected: workers in specific industries, administrators, guest workers etc. Meaning could be restored to the situation.

goon

So one Tory leadership contender is threatening to suspend parliament to force through a no deal Brexit without that pesky democracy getting in the way, while another compared Jeremy Corbyn to Hitler.

Appealing to the very worst all for power.

MuswellHillGooner

[size=small]Brexit party insiders said Labour’s reliance upon a mainly Pakistani vote in inner-city wards had been the difference between the parties. “Some of these houses had 14 people in them registered to vote. It would be interesting to see what proportion voted Labour,” said one.[/size]

[size=small]Labour have denied relying on the city’s Asian voting, and insisted that it was a “racist trope”.[/size] 😆
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/07/peterborough-byelection-result-labour-sees-off-brexit-party-threat-to-hold-seat

goon

Can’t help but be impressed by his clarity and common sense.

Says all you need to know about the Tories that they’re turning their nose up at a guy who could potentially be their Blair (after big Dave failed miserably to live up to the comparison) in favour of buffoons liken Johnson, Raab and Leadsome who are all pretty toxic among the wider electorate. And to top it all off, he’s probably represents conservatism far better than they do. They’re all just right wing nut jobs.

Mirth

I really don't get it anymore, the tax cuts are so nakedly bribes and so easy to spin against them that it really makes me wonder if they're idiots, malicious or just really out of touch with reality.

goon

It’s short sighted, all they can see right now is the threat of the Brexit Party and for some reason Johnson is seen as the man best placed to counter that.

Tam

goon wrote:
Can’t help but be impressed by his clarity and common sense.

Absolutely. I can’t claim to have a deep knowledge of his beliefs or policies, but he appears more than an empty suit like the rest of them. His range of roles both before government and during is impressive, as is the impact he’s had in many of his positions.

goon

This pill smells like BS to me, but it might explain Tory MPs thinking on leadership election:

Mirth

How is that possible?

goon

I'm guessing the assumption is that Johnson would take back much of the Brexit Party vote, while at the same time benefiting from the Lib Dems splitting the Labour vote. Some are speculating that he'd call a snap election if he gets in to capitalise on this sentiment before it becomes evident that he can't do shit, but doing so based on those assumptions would be a huge risk for the Tories.

Qwiss

He has the highest vote intention from the yougov poll too but that one seems way OTT

Mirth

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/uk-not-ready-for-a-no-deal-brexit-on-october-31st-confidential-cabinet-note-warns-1.3923139

Boris Johnson’s promise to take Britain out of the EU with or without a deal on the scheduled Brexit date of October 31st has been undermined by a confidential cabinet note warning that the country is still far from prepared for the disruption of a disorderly exit.

The note, seen by the Financial Times, says the government needs six to eight months of engagement with the pharmaceutical industry “to ensure adequate arrangements are in place to build stockpiles of medicines by October 31”.

It also says that it would take “at least 4-5 months” to improve trader readiness for the new border checks that might be required, including the provision of financial incentives to encourage exporters and importers to register for new schemes.

I wonder what would happen if Boris gets into number 10 and doesn't leave at the end of October.

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