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Mirth

I think the thirst is for the seizure of assets. That won't happen either on any meaningful level

Burnwinter

No I don't think there will be actual military action, but it's bizarre to me that these Labour and Tory hacks are calling for reprisals, stern lines and so on. Fucking weirdos.

Mirth

It does wonders for domestic popularity. Never let a good crisis go to waste

Burnwinter

Corbyn statement:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/15/salisbury-attack-conflict-britain-cold-war

Irish Times editorial questioning the likelihood the attack was directed by Putin:

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/unlikely-that-vladimir-putin-behind-skripal-poisoning-1.3425736

Gurgen

“We must not resign ourselves to a new Cold War” Jeremy? It started years ago mate 😆

jones

y va marquer wrote:
Sigh.
Of course it was the Russians or Russian led / inspired.

😆

y va marquer

Yep, it's true jones, I don't buy the conspiracy theory that you've attempted to legitimise via an article written by someone who won't disclose sources and in whom there is no compelling reason to trust.

goon

Not that I disagree but I’m not sure May and the government are much better there!

Qwiss

goon wrote:
Not that I disagree but I’m not sure May and the government are much better there!

Exactly. Sometimes us plebs just don't don't know yet, we may never know. Its hardly an extreme position to doubt the British governments version of events. It'd be equally naive to trust the Russians.

y va marquer

You can never entirely trust the official line but that doesn't mean that alternative views, just by virtue of being contrary and non-official are in any way trustworthy.

y va marquer

Qwiss! wrote:
goon wrote:
Not that I disagree but I’m not sure May and the government are much better there!

Exactly. Sometimes us plebs just don't don't know yet, we may never know. Its hardly an extreme position to doubt the British governments version of events. It'd be equally naive to trust the Russians.

It is far more naive to trust the Russians in this instance.

Gurgen

Basically this:

And it works like a charm.

jones

y va marquer wrote:
Yep, it's true jones, I don't buy the conspiracy theory that you've attempted to legitimise via an article written by someone who won't disclose sources and in whom there is no compelling reason to trust.

Just to be clear I'm not laughing at your opinion, very few will actually know what happened (including you apparently). I'm laughing at how simple and lovely the world must look like if you know exactly beforehand which sources and what actors to trust. Also I'm not peddling any conspiracy theory, at no point did Murray claim to know who actually did it.

MOD EDIT: Lets be nice.

y va marquer

Spot on

Edit: the spot on is for Gurgen not jones

jones

Qwiss! wrote:
goon wrote:
Not that I disagree but I’m not sure May and the government are much better there!

Exactly. Sometimes us plebs just don't don't know yet, we may never know. Its hardly an extreme position to doubt the British governments version of events. It'd be equally naive to trust the Russians.

Nobody said to trust the Russians though? Unless they produce any evidence it doesn't even matter what they say - what's important is the accusation from the UK and it has more holes in it than substance

jones

Gurgen wrote:
Basically this:

And it works like a charm.

😆 so Murray - who by his own account believes that Litvinenko was killed by Russian agents - works for Putin too? Even if he did, what pray tell kind of action do you suggest? Send a trident submarine to Saint Petersburg?

Qwiss

y va marquer wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
Exactly. Sometimes us plebs just don't don't know yet, we may never know. Its hardly an extreme position to doubt the British governments version of events. It'd be equally naive to trust the Russians.

It is far more naive to trust the Russians in this instance.

Its not about who's more trustworthy, its about not accepting the stories of either side.

est

jones wrote:
Russia annexed Crimea after its inhabitants voted in a referendum 90%+ to secede from the rest of Ukraine, after unrest and a civil war broke out which was instigated and financed by the US as even their top diplomat Nuland happily conceded.

This is some grade A bullshit right there.

y va marquer

Qwiss! wrote:
y va marquer wrote:
It is far more naive to trust the Russians in this instance.

Its not about who's more trustworthy, its about not accepting the stories of either side.

I don't agree with this at all.

Burnwinter

Gurgen wrote:
“We must not resign ourselves to a new Cold War” Jeremy? It started years ago mate 😆

There's a few differences right now, what with Russia being a main supplier of energy to NATO countries and so on.

Corbyn's statement was pretty restrained and put the sabre-rattling going on at Westminster right now in the perspective it deserves. There's no benefit from these retro fantasies of nuclear antagonism and so forth.

It's childish and irresponsible, it shows a lack of respect for the victims of the military misadventures authorised by the same type of idiots in recent years, and for the victims of their future brinkmanship.

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