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Mirth

goon wrote:
Seems like indyref2 isn't such a popular proposition.

If they hand the Tories the keys to Number 10, I'm voting them out!

banduan

BBC fb live map update is ace.

#bestelectionever

Burnwinter

Hung Parliament has been confirmed!

Which means I win $250 on a fifty dollar bet made a couple of days ago. 😃

Tony Montana

Burnwinter wrote:
Hung Parliament has been confirmed!

Which means I win $250 on a fifty dollar bet made a couple of days ago. 😃

Meanwhile us Brits have to suffer more uncertainty.

lorddulaarsenal

Gooner Corbyn PM? Gawd

goon

Tony Montana wrote:
Burnwinter wrote:
Hung Parliament has been confirmed!

Which means I win $250 on a fifty dollar bet made a couple of days ago. 😃

Meanwhile us Brits have to suffer more uncertainty.

Meh, it will hopefully lead to a much softer and conciliatory tone going forward, I don't think that's a bad thing.

Mirth

It is if nothing ends up getting done and we have leadership challenge/another election from a Brexit perspective. On the plus side, May's brand of authoritarian nonsense closer to home has been snuffed out for good.

Ordinarily it would be great since the Tories are incredibly divisive but the assumption going into this is that Brexit would be substantially done by 2019 but that looks impossible now. Meanwhile Labour's been propped significantly by the youth vote but - also by a significant number of UKIP voters and they're at opposing ideals. I don't really see much reconciliation going on tbh.

Mirth

All hail our new stats overlord - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40209612

goon

Mirth wrote:
It is if nothing ends up getting done and we have leadership challenge/another election from a Brexit perspective. On the plus side, May's brand of authoritarian nonsense closer to home has been snuffed out for good.

Ordinarily it would be great since the Tories are incredibly divisive but the assumption going into this is that Brexit would be substantially done by 2019 but that looks impossible now. Meanwhile Labour's been propped significantly by the youth vote but - also by a significant number of UKIP voters and they're at opposing ideals. I don't really see much reconciliation going on tbh.

In reality you'll probably end up being right. But I'd echo what the likes of Ken Clarke and Clegg have said, there's nothing wrong with a bit of cross party discussion on issues such as Brexit and if they really had the national interest in mind rather than party politics there's no reason why it couldn't proceed even with a minority government. I'd argue such an issue of such importance should always involve all the parties to adequately reflect the wishes of the entire country. For all the BS claims from the likes of May that they needed to heal a divided nation the reality is they've almost exclusively geared their Brexit policies for the UKIP base and that needed to end. I did suspect she'd soften her stance if she won big but we'll never know.

Qwiss

y va marquer

So May and Foster have done a deal to form a government?
'Kin hell

goon

I don't know anything about the DUP but from what I'm reading they sound like a lovely bunch.

Mirth

In the past 5 years, Scotland have:

Voted against independence from the UK.
Voted for the SNP who campaign specifically on the issue of independence from the UK.
Voted to Remain in the EU
Voted to prop up the Tories who are committed to a hard exit from the EU.

Anyone care to explain what's the thinking up there?

y va marquer

A malleable electorate.

Burnwinter

Mirth wrote:
In the past 5 years, Scotland have:

Voted against independence from the UK.

Voted for the SNP who campaign specifically on the issue of independence from the UK.

Voted to Remain in the EU

Voted to prop up the Tories who are committed to a hard exit from the EU.

Anyone care to explain what's the thinking up there?

None of these things are particularly consistent when you consider most of them are around the 50-50 mark in terms of the constituencies, with a bit of incremental slippage here and there.

I think Labour's still really on the nose in Scotland. Seen as having abandoned them aren't they?

Qwiss

So after months of attacking Corbyn saying he was a terrorist sympathiser the Troy's are going into government with the DUP.

y va marquer

The response that describes in a nutshell why the Tory DUP alliance could be toxic for NI and Ireland as a whole.

Looks like Boris may be destined for No 10 in the near future.

Wonder if he'll call another election? 😆

Mirth

y va marquer

Expedient and imbecilic solution, kneejerk defence, bolthole for a stupid leadership who will carry on regardless of the consequences.

goon

Alastair Campbell was making the same point. It's ironic that the Tories have been scaremongering about Labour being propped up by the SNP are now doing the exact same thing. Also ironic is that May has been going on about how Corbyn can't lead and doesn't have the backing of his own party is now in largely the same position.

Corbyn needs to cash in on his capital (before people start catching onto the fact that Labour still fell some way short of being the largest party) and unite the party. He needs to bring the centre left back into the equation. Whether you like the Blairites or not they hold the key to winning an election and forming a proper opposition and not just a protest movement.

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