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y va marquer

Well policy wise you'd be mad not to go for the skittles rainbow that is the Labour Party manifesto, it's a seriously good wishlist.
You'd also be mad to think that a fractured Labour led by Corbyn could manage such substantial changes.

It's not all about charisma and style but if you want to lead a disparate people you have to have pretty exceptional communication skills, above and beyond calculated sound bites and clichéd, predictable views on big issues.

Burnwinter

I'd rather have Corbyn up there with a track record of fighting for the vulnerable people in society, that's the bottom line.

Of course Corbyn can't deliver on his manifesto, but you can be sure he'll do better things than a "strong, stable" Tory leadership would.

The UK's social platform is going to be torn apart by neoliberalism and the pretext for it will be "Oh well, we had to do it because of Brexit. We had to destroy the NHS because of Brexit." And on it goes. A European exit that was devised and delivered by idiotic and incompetent Tories.

I'd say fight back against that.

Burnwinter

y va marquer

It would be hilarious if the Tories were beaten.
The hubris of calling the election exposed.
The second time in just over 12 months that a Tory leader so grossly misjudged the mood of the electorate

goon

y va marquer wrote:
I disagree - I'd wager that May's persona is significant factor in the swing away from Tories, it's not as if they were ever big on social justice or equality before she came to lead them.

The latest poll suggests her personal approval ratings have actually risen, while Cornyns has fell slightly. Suggests to me it's mostly about the manifesto and policy.

Burnwinter

Also from YouGov data …

Mirth

Tories have two modes: Complacency and Panic.

y va marquer

goon wrote:
y va marquer wrote:
I disagree - I'd wager that May's persona is significant factor in the swing away from Tories, it's not as if they were ever big on social justice or equality before she came to lead them.

The latest poll suggests her personal approval ratings have actually risen, while Cornyns has fell slightly. Suggests to me it's mostly about the manifesto and policy.

Hmmm. Maybe I'very been influenced by listening to some many Irish people seeing her as Maggie Mark II

y va marquer

This would suggest her approval ratings are in decline:

https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Theresa_May

y va marquer

This would suggest that Corbyn's approval ratings are climbing.

https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Jeremy_Corbyn

Basically the opposite of the polls that suggest her May's approval ratings have actually risen, while Cornyns have fallen.

"I like a manifesto, put it to the test-o"

goon

Yeah, what I was referring to was actually compared to earlier this week. She's probably down longer term.

Ray

The media are anti Corbyn, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40053427. What he's saying isn't outlandish and aims to deal with the problems, yet the media (Laura Kuenssberg in particular) are trying to put a negative spin on it. It's refreshing to hear.

Mirth

IFS says both parties have unrealistic policies: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40057115

Sounds about right

goon

Ray wrote:
The media are anti Corbyn, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40053427. What he's saying isn't outlandish and aims to deal with the problems, yet the media (Laura Kuenssberg in particular) are trying to put a negative spin on it. It's refreshing to hear.

If you think that's anti Corbyn you should see how the other papers are reporting it.

y va marquer

Trump didn't need media support to get elected, neither does Corbyn if he plays the right cards, it's seems to me that May's now a liability in terms of vote catching.
She's like the Hilary to his outsider anti-establishment anti-political elite Trump.

Mirth

Corbyn came off better than May did in his interview with Andrew Neil. At least he didn't lose his composure as much.

But this:

Is exactly where he makes life difficult for himself under the guise of 'principles' - despite the fact that his party and manifesto both back the renewal of Trident.

Mirth

Incidentally, there have been a lot of references to opinion polls in this thread but it's worth bearing in mind that popular votes don't often translate to seats - for example, the Tories won the popular vote in 2005 but ended up with 93 fewer seats. Moreover, Tory voters are often underrepresented in opinion polls anyway.

At the moment, if ends up being close, we're going to see no one being particularly happy with May being PM and this whole thing has been a waste of time and the opposite of 'strong and stable'. Moreover, the party will be even more susceptible to the fringe nutjobs going into the Brexit negotiations. I miss the coalition, frankly.

goon

I actually respect him for his rigid view on Trident, at least he's being a little more clear on where he party stand.

Burnwinter

He's been a lifelong anti-war activist, hasn't he.

The virtue of the guy is a rarity in our politics, his principles and his unwillingness to compromise. We're so used to seeing serial compromisers praised for their pragmatism by a compliant press that we've forgotten how to appreciate people with actual values.

Put Corbyn in as Prime Minister and yeah, he might try to wreck the military-industrial complex, but he might also genuinely try to fix railways, hospitals and higher education.

Mirth

To me it's a bit like having Arsene Wenger as your PM

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