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Mirth

goon wrote:
We have no hand to play with the EU and when the other sides knows what cards you hold there's no point bluffing. What I'm hoping she means is that it will strenthen her hand within her own party and she can fuck over the Eurosceptics in her party. That's probably giving her way too much credit though.

Citigroup have outlined the following 3 outcomes. Not that they're anymore in the know but it's arguably their job to be aware of this.

Bold Tone

Qwiss! wrote:
They can do whatever the fuck they want now. They're still going to win. ...

Pretty much.
Labour are headed towards oblivion by the looks of all forecasts.

http://electionforecast.co.uk/

jones

I've seen and read a couple interviews with May in the last few days, notably the one with Andrew Neill. UK media have really done a number on Corbyn, how on earth is he not a huge favourite to win the election? 😆 the UK is in for a rude awakening if people think an annoying twat will make for a good negotiator. She's like the worst of Clinton and Trump combined into one ffs.

Just watched Andrew Neils interview with the strung unstable leader Mrs May, she was truly appalling, I don’t think I have ever seen a worse interview performance by the leader of a political party. Poise, presentation, command of her brief, ability to give cogent answers to the questions posed to her, and even the ability to pass herself off as a reasonable facsimile of a real person, all of these things were completely absent.
She looked like a frightened rabbit caught in the headlights, unable to answer any questions, repeatedly gibbering the mantras Lynton programmed her with, “Strung unstable” “grow the economy ” “it’s a choice between me and Jeremy Corbyn “.

Truly, excruciatingly fecking awful

Burnwinter

Labour have had an absolutely massive poll turnaround over the past fortnight, but it probably won't be enough anyway.

But yes, if the party had shown unity and purpose behind Corbyn—particularly his own party members in Parliament—they would be in striking distance now. It's partly Corbyn who's to blame for not having been able to impress himself on his party as leader.

goon

Labour need to take advantage of the momentum they've gained from the manifesto because May isn't looking so great at the moment. I don't think it'll be enough to win or even prevent a majority but who knows, I can't imagine many people being that enthusiastic about voting for the Tories right now either.

Rex

Corbyn's push over the last couple of weeks has been remarkable. I hope he can go all the way and win it, because progressives overall need a win. Badly. We need a sane voice in the world, and a politician who actually wants to work for the people.

Mirth

I don't see Corbyn as a sane voice at all.

I'll be voting Labour but he's not exactly my first choice given how ineffectual he's been in opposition. In many ways the fact that he's been allowed back in this race is reflective of how weak May is and the fact that May has pretty much had an easy ride till now is reflective of how crap Corbyn has been.

The saving grace is the manifesto which actually holds up to scrutiny but the support cast pushing that manifesto are all lightweights.

Rex

How do you not see Corbyn as a sane voice?

Mirth

By following him over the past 2 years?

I'm not denying he's acted more like a leader in the past few weeks but can you point to once instance against either May or Cameron where you felt he was actually holding the government to scrutiny? On a personal level I was particularly disappointed with his lack of support to the EU referendum which was extremely half hearted (whatever side of the debate you were on) but there are other aspects that have alienated most of the country. It's more a case of seeing what he actually does when he has had power vs listening to him and the main reason he's struggling for votes now is purely because he's not been effective opposition to the government.

Bold Tone

That manifesto is attractive to the left wing of the party that has been ignored for years but i think the vast majority of the electorate has shifted to the right.
As for the supporting cast, whatever happened to Diane Abbott?
She used to be much sharper than she appears to be now.

Rex

Mirth, I asked out of genuine interest. Thanks for the answer! 🙂

goon

Completely agree on everything Mirth said.

People talk about the party screwing him over and it's true to an extent, but it's worth pointing out that it got progressively worse from when he was first elected leader, with him alienating many of the initial shadow cabinet. Even now his inability to lead is constantly reflected with the front bench regularly disagreeing in public. He's a lifelong backbencher thrust into the main job and he's clearly out of his depth.

And he's responsible for Dianne Abbott for being the Shadow Home secretary.

goon

Bold Tone wrote:
That manifesto is attractive to the left wing of the party that has been ignored for years but i think the vast majority of the electorate has shifted to the right.

I don't think that's remotely true, there's just that a big part of the traditional working class left's concerns lie with Brexit and immigration, which they clearly feel like the Tories and UKIP are more likely to deliver. Labour and Corbyn just need to make sure their key policies outweigh those factors and get that across to their traditional base. I think the manifesto will go a long way towards doing that but it's astounding that the folks in the NW etc now feel like the Tories represent their interests.

Burnwinter

It's one of those weird things, but left wing policies are always much more popular than left wing parties.

It's a bit hard to understand until you go to, say, The Sun website and realise that some major media outlets are more pro-Tory than this site is pro-Arsenal.

y va marquer

Corbyn comes across as weak and passive aggressive - there's no way he has the strength of character or charisma to influence a majority of people, even in his own party, to implement the massive changes as per policy.

Burnwinter

Corbyn is very far from being an ideal leader, considered apart from his politics. I wish he'd been a more charismatic and aggressive figure.

But May is even worse as far as I can see, lacking in poise, integrity and clear ideas.

y va marquer

What May is like is pretty much irrelevant if the discussion is about leadership of the Labour Party and the current leader's weakness in terms of uniting his party behind him.

Burnwinter

But on the contrary: what May is like is very, very relevant to a discussion of Corbyn's leadership qualities given there's an election just around the corner!

Qwiss

Given Corbyns unpopularity its remarkable the job May has been doing driving Labours poll numbers up.

jones

goon wrote:
Bold Tone wrote:
That manifesto is attractive to the left wing of the party that has been ignored for years but i think the vast majority of the electorate has shifted to the right.

I don't think that's remotely true, there's just that a big part of the traditional working class left's concerns lie with Brexit and immigration, which they clearly feel like the Tories and UKIP are more likely to deliver.

You're proving his point, immigration is pretty much the right wing topic there is. Not sure how anyone can "clearly feel" the Tories will do anything on Brexit, May's fake hardman stance has been shown up badly already and she hasn't even faced any actual resistance so far.

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