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Mirth

JazzG You need to get off twitter.

JazzG

Gazza M who is this directed at?

At those clutching their pearls about Elon Musk. I mean he is talking shit half of the time yet every time he tweets something it seems to become a big story.

Dom Enquiry after enquiry after enquiry to make Rotheram a cause celebre and our version of 9/11 NEVER FORGET is crass, pointless and would be a waste of money

Did those those enquiries name or hold accountable those people within the police, council or social services who covered it up? I mean you might be content with those people getting away with it but I am not and it seems like I am not alone either. Considering the shit this country wastes it's money on I don't give a toss how much this enquiry would cost.

Considering there are reports of this happening in 50 towns maybe this isn't a dog whistle and something you can just call inflammatory and move on. The Jay Report mentions "Poor or non‑existent data collection makes it impossible to know whether any particular ethnic group is over-represented as perpetrators of child sexual exploitation by networks.”. This is why people think it is a cover up, why was this information not recorded?

Charlie Peters has been covering this quite extensively and writes about it here https://www.standard.co.uk//comment/grooming-gangs-national-abuse-inquiry-elon-musk-victims-b1203415.html Though some will point out he works for GB News so probably don't want to hear his views! These Pakistani grooming gangs targetted mainly vulnerable white girls, that shows there is a racial element to it. Not like they were going around raping young Pakistani girls.

Coombs 👍️

Mirth Maybe I should join Bluesky, I might start thinking more like everyone else here rather than being the odd one out 😉

Pepe LeFrits What really fucked me up was reading those court transcripts, they appeared on my timeline a day or so before Elon Musk kicked up a storm about it made me sick reading those. I have posted about this here before as well, this is something which really fucks with my head and the fact there have been cover ups and people are just happy to draw a line under it and move on is something I can't get my head around. I think especially after having kids, this shit really gets under my skin.

Pepe LeFrits

Consuming a daily diet of that shit will fuck you up, Jazz.

Dom

JazzG Did those those enquiries name or hold accountable those people within the police, council or social services who covered it up? I mean you might be content with those people getting away with it but I am not and it seems like I am not alone either. Considering the shit this country wastes it's money on I don't give a toss how much this enquiry would cost.

Considering there are reports of this happening in 50 towns maybe this isn't a dog whistle and something you can just call inflammatory and move on. The Jay Report mentions "Poor or non‑existent data collection makes it impossible to know whether any particular ethnic group is over-represented as perpetrators of child sexual exploitation by networks.”. This is why people think it is a cover up, why was this information not recorded?

Charlie Peters has been covering this quite extensively and writes about it here https://www.standard.co.uk//comment/grooming-gangs-national-abuse-inquiry-elon-musk-victims-b1203415.html Though some will point out he works for GB News so probably don't want to hear his views! These Pakistani grooming gangs targetted mainly vulnerable white girls, that shows there is a racial element to it. Not like they were going around raping young Pakistani girls.

Too much twitter stink in this!
"Poor data collection" doesn't mean a cover up. Read through this page:

https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/

This is the data from just after the abuse scandal:

The actual cover up was of the officers from South Yorkshire police selling drugs to the grooming gangs, discounting reports from the abused because they came from poorer backgrounds and policemen propositioning vulernable young girls for sex after they'd reported their abuse and given police their mobile numbers. The kind of culture that gave us Wayne Couzens and his enablers after all.

JazzG

Dom "Poor data collection" doesn't mean a cover up.

"Several [council] staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.” Does that indicate a cover up? Data collection is poor and that picture is talking generally about child abuse, I'm referring to these gangs who are going around targetting girls.

Look I don't disagree that there is a rotten culture within the police but I do believe there is a cover up which goes higher up than the police. Journalists have found police were scared to link this to any race as they were scared of being labelled racist and talk of council leaders putting pressure on the police. And the abuse didn't just exclusively happen to poor white girls. There was a dad on Good morning Britain talking about how his daughter was groomed and doesn't sound like she was in a broken home. I've read stories of girls moving town and then getting targetted by gangs there, clearly there is some level of communication between these gangs which indicates something a lot more sinister and serious going on.

JazzG

In other news sounds like the budget fall out has dragged on, even talk of Austerity like measures possibly being need to bought in. The economy is headed in a very dangerous direction, we have the bank of England who have recently reduced base rate but market rates are going upwards. That is not a good sign at all and yesterday the Treasury had to come out to reassure markets yesterday.

awooga83

JazzG I read something yesterday suggesting it's difficult to say if it's down just to any budget issues as US yields have followed a similar trend recently which aren't going to be affected by UK budget so it's probably premature for anyone to know what's causing it or if it's general geopolitical turbulence.

https://www.wsj.com/finance/investing/jgb-yields-edge-higher-ahead-of-finance-ministrys-30-year-bond-auction-afe96f1d

Mirth

JazzG it's not really the budget fallout unless you're sitting on the opposition benches. The gilt yields increased but were basically on a downward trend by the end of November. They've now spiked rapidly since Nov, largely as a result of the US story. GBP's relative to flat to other major currencies.

Nevertheless, it's a tricky place to be in.

JazzG

awooga83

Things are getting so bad even Liz Truss has crawled out from under her rock and sticking the boot in!

awooga83

JazzG

From the same thread

JazzG

The times have called Bridget Phillipson's education bill as one of the most destructive policies of the year. We are paying stupid amounts for our electricity due to our high reliance on Wind and there is currently no wind and turns out we are gonna hand back the Chagos Islands and pay Mauritius £90m a year for the base. We've literally gone from one set of clowns to another.

Interestingly Andy Burnham has said there should be a national enquiry into the grooming gangs, been plenty of rumours that he doesn't get on well with Starmer and has ambitions to be Labour leader. Already talk going around if this year things get worse whether they'd look to replace Starmer.

Mirth Nevertheless, it's a tricky place to be in.

Very tricky, her fiscal headroom has disappeared so something will need to give. The Tories and Labour have taxed us all as much as they can now I don't think there is any real scope or hope any more taxes would even bring in much more money. Some economists even doubted the Tory tax increases would bring in the kind of money that they had projected. Labour need to actually start looking at policies which will bring in serious growth.

Whether Labour want to admit this or not the budget has definitely not helped, business confidence has dropped and

Mirth

JazzG We are paying stupid amounts for our electricity due to our high reliance on Wind

That’s not how UK energy pricing works

JazzG

Mirth

awooga83

The current budget may not achieve the positive impacts that labour hope in the fullness of time but I don't think you can attribute the current UK situation to it. The UK has major longer-term structural issues that numerous previous governments have overseen that have put us in this position. It's not going to be quickly fixed. I don't think this budget (so far) has changed things fundamentally. The UK is being buffeted by what's going on globally, yes it makes things harder for what Labour may be planning but they haven't necessarily created the circumstances that are dominating the moves for now.

JazzG

These murders really shook me, I remember my kids were at summer camp that day as well.

I think some really harrowing details are gonna come out in the next few days.

Burnwinter

JazzG I think some really harrowing details are gonna come out in the next few days.

So long as they're not lies aimed at instigating racism and division, like the harrowing details that came out in the first few hours. It's not like you can hold a public inquiry before Tommy Robinson shoots his mouth off.

People need to be accountable for their own bullshit detection.

JazzG

Starmer seems to be learning, this is how you shut down the conspiracy theories and ensure the truth all comes out.

JazzG

This should have happened decades ago but fair play to Labour if they get this over the line.

Burnwinter The truth needs to come out, not cherry picking information which won’t offend people.

Tam

JazzG cherry picking information which won’t offend people

What information has been held back to avoid offending people?

Nobody has suggested information should be held back, so you must be suggesting information has been held back to avoid causing offence, otherwise your comments makes no sense.

Burnwinter

JazzG The truth needs to come out, not cherry picking information which won’t offend people.

I'm talking about the rampant misinformation about the murders, which stoked the willfully dumb rioting.

It offends people to be called racist nationalist liars but it's accurate.

JazzG

Tam What information has been held back to avoid offending people?

Where have I said suggested information has been held back? All I said that shouldn't happen. As recent grooming gangs scandal has shown where information was either not collected or released to avoid offending communities.

Coombs

JazzG Where have I said suggested information has been held back?

In every single post about this subject.

Tam

JazzG Where have I said suggested information has been held back? All I said that shouldn't happen. As recent grooming gangs scandal has shown where information was either not collected or released to avoid offending communities.

JazzG Information has been held back but the post of mine you are quoting is in reference to this public inquiry.

You’re conflating two racist pile ons here.

There’s good reason information about the Southport murders wasn’t released sooner, and fine well self-serving scum like Robert Jenrick and Nigel Farage know it. The details are coming out now, when the can now the trial is underway. If anyone disagrees with how and when this information has been released, then frankly they need to read a bit more widely than the shite being spoon fed to them on social media and by charlatans like Jenrick/Farage to understand why that is. Anyone who, after understanding why it has been held until now, remains of the belief that it should have been released sooner is frankly not interested in justice.

As for the grooming gangs, the circumstances around information capture and sharing are completely different. I see no relevance here other than people seeking to link it to immigration.

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