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QuincyAbeyie

goon the comments on that video are unhinged.

JazzG

QuincyAbeyie Reform pushing the line that he is an actor and someone has put him up to this. That type of reasoning will cut through with their base, others may not be so impressed unless they have proof.

goon

JazzG

It's populism 101. Deny everything and blame the establishment,

The idea that you'd hire an actor who would then use his real name to expose and brand himself as massive racist twat doesn't even work logically, but that rarely matters to these types.

JazzG

If there is ever a problem which sums this country up this is it. New prisons signed off in 2020, prisons overflowing and we can't build due to endless red tape.

I hope Keir Starmer can also show some backbone and actually confront these NIMBYs who are stopping housing, infrastructure projects, prisons among other things from being built.

Mirth

JazzG it’s now or never for planning reforms. The Greens, Lib Dems and Tories will never propose any changes and future Labour governments are unlikely to have this kind of majority.

It’s also one of the few policies that Starmer has talked about and also does not require any fiscal or monetary support. It just needs political will to make the changes required - even though a few local MPs may disagree with it

Burnwinter

JazzG Perhaps the UK could moor a few prison hulks on the Thames, like the one they put my ancestor James King in for several months (he was a stonemason from outside Oxford who was convicted of stealing a lamb). Problem solved.

goon

Yup. Housing, prisons, energy infrastructure and even growth in other industries for things like film studios. Planning reform is key.

JazzG

Problem is planning is used like a political football. It is always unpopular locally so governments get push back. Labour will have a massive majority, this is something they need to push through and get it right.

RocktheCasbah

goon

Well so much for the polls tightening. I have to say I think it was always going to be tough for the Tories in this election, but from start to finish this has been one of the worst campaigns I have witnessed. They’ve changed their strategy 3 or 4 times, each one worse than the last. Their latest party political broadcast involved comparing a Labour super majority to Barcelona smashing a sunday league team… “careful voters, if you’re not careful you could get the equivalent of a really good football team as your government”

JazzG

goon Conservatives and SNP being smashed for poor governance. What both deserved as well.

I’m not entirely enthusiastic about Labour being in power but them having such a large majority gives them the ability to make important changes to this country. Especially when it comes to growing the economy, planning laws, the NHS and crime/law. Those four things should be their main focus. Low economic growth will severely restrict the government so I hope they prioritise that rather than just taxing more people.

JazzG

Just about sums the man. He stated decline for the Conservative Party, Truss crystallised it and Rishi has made sure what was remaining was burned to the ground!

It’s quite poetic in a way, if you take voters for mugs they will punish you. Hopefully a warning to others as well not to take votes for granted

JazzG

My theory of this election being rigged by some within the Conservative Party grows stronger every day! Who the fuck thought that tweet was a good idea?

flobaba

They will do nothing. I'm very disillusioned with politics and politicians. I feel like it doesn't matter what party is in power, it all plays out the same - everyone is in there to serve themselves, not the people.

Also question whether 4 year terms are enough to pursue and implement effective and durable policy changes.

goon

flobaba

For all the shortcomings Labour did a lot of good on many fronts last time around when it comes to poverty, the NHS, education. Very different being booted out of office because you 'spent too much money' and didn't regulate banks well enough vs being an all around clusterfuck that has repeatedly made the country a victim to internal party politics.

I'm pretty optimistic, but they've not really given themselves any room to effect huge change except by reforming things.

Agree on short terms not being enough and Labour have already been saying they'll need a second term to really change things. But evidence over here suggests once you get in you should be able to hold power for at least two terms. The Tories had 14 years, Blair/Brown had 13. Thatcher/Major had 19.

Mirth

I hope Labour win and I believe that things will sort of improve just by having some normality but I'm not really optimistic over the long term. I feel like we're very much moving the dial back to 'Managed Decline' from 'Clusterfuck'.

Also from following the news across the US/Canada and most of Europe, it's not really even a UK specific issue anymore. Labour have 5 to 10 years to fundamentally change the current trajectory of the country or else we're letting the lunatics back in again. In reality, most of the big changes need to happen in the next couple of years as Labour won't have a better chance once the next election cycle begins.

JazzG

The problem Starmer has imo is people aren't voting him into power, they are voting the conservatives out of power if that makes sense. People are more enthusiastic about getting rid of the Conservatives than excited by Labour. I saw a clip of Andrew Neil talking about this earlier and I agree with him, Labour's vote share will possibly be lower than Theresa May's in 2017, she ended up losing the Conservative majority with that vote share and that same vote share is going to win Labour a 200 seat majority. He described their margin as being as wide as the ocean but as shallow as the village pond. The Conservative vote is being split between the Conservatives. Lib Dem and Reform.

Last time when Boris won as well I think the main driver was his clarity on Brexit and that people in this country genuinely do not like Corbyn. People voted to keep Corbyn out rather than Boris in. Thing is those voters if let them down will turn on you as the Conservatives are finding out.

Starmer is not inheriting a very healthy country. He'll have to make himself unpopular with his own activists to really get the country going. He's looked very indecisive so far, hopefully when in power he'll be a lot more firm and push through the changes needed.

Coombs

JazzG The problem Starmer has imo is people aren't voting him into power, they are voting the conservatives out of power if that makes sense. People are more enthusiastic about getting rid of the Conservatives than excited by Labour.

I think this is true, except that it isn't a problem for Starmer at all. It's his built-in excuse for inevitably accomplishing sweet fuck all. Being the opposition is easy because it's politically and intellectually bankrupt. Vote for me, I'm not the other guy.

Daz

JazzG The problem Starmer has imo is people aren't voting him into power, they are voting the conservatives out of power if that makes sense. People are more enthusiastic about getting rid of the Conservatives than excited by Labour

Isn't this basically just how politics and 'democracy' works now in Western liberal democracies ?

Mirth

I find it hilarious that a plurality of GB news viewers will vote Labour

Mirth

I don’t know. Prime Minsters with that kind of majority tend to be consequential - they may not be to the liking of everybody but I’ll be very surprised in 5 years we’re here saying he’s done nothing (good or bad).

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