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Jamie Vardy

Gunner89

Leicester aren't going to spend big money.

Even if they can afford the fees it's a different thing to give out big contracts when you are not sure of playing CL next season.

Rex

I don't know. With the TV money for English clubs, the difference in income for teams fighting for a CL spot is a lot less marked. You can sign players on biggish contracts and manage without making it into the CL spots I reckon.

Klaus

No, G89's right. If that was the case the players they have would already be on big money but they're not. Vardy is their top earner, but he made £5K less than we pay a bench warming defender like Gabriel by the time he renegotiated his contract back in February.

Rex

Of course a club like Leicester can't afford to pay players in general what a club like Arsenal can. What it does mean though is that they can push the boat out significantly on one or two players without risking to do a Leeds. Doing so would bring consequences of course, but they can do it, much like Leicester is able to significantly up their offer to Vardy which has been reported. A few years ago there is no way they could have almost matched our offer; they would have just had to take it.

Temo

speedy wrote:
Gymnastics athletes are usually in bits without playing footie.

A big name American coach thought why don't we do crossfit for American footballers and "out condition the opposition"

He's massacred the entire team, just broken bodies everywhere.

So are body builders, doesn't mean footballers shouldn't lift weights.

I don't know how much of gymnastics is incorporated into crossfit but from my limited knowledge of it, that's not what I'm talking about. Gymnastics has pretty straight forward progressions that don't involve the same risks as crossfit, which if I'm not mistaken, is about doing movements quickly, regardless of how you do them.

The first three minutes of this is quite a good indication of what I'm talking about. Pound for pound power will always be favored by the gymnast over the weight lifter. He also mentions soreness and recovery times. So in the context of a sport like football where speed and agility are so crucial, I can't believe gymnastics training isn't favored over weights.

Gunner89

Leicester are reportedly offering Vardy 100k and he's one of their 2-3 best players.

That's less than a club like West Ham are paying Payet.

They can probably pay high fees but probably not the contracts.

Rex

I consider that a big contract, and in line with what I wrote. Same with Payet.

Klaus

The point to consider is that they, in an attempt to convince their most iconic player ever to stay, offered him less money than we did. They're already well stretched. They'll have to convince Kante and Mahrez and Drinkwater and Schmeichel and a few others to commit in the longer perspective too, and the only way to do it is money. The bump in wages will eat up most of the money they can invest, and there are some concerns that need to be addressed urgently in the squad. They have two 32 year old centrebacks and nothing on the bench behind them, for instance.

They're not going to bid £50 million for Romelu Lukaku with that in mind. They're going to bid half as much for Troy Deeney instead who will similarly guarantee them 15-20 goals up front if he doesn't break down.

Gunner89

Maybe 4-5 years ago Rex. With the current tv deal it won't be a really high figure.

What sort of players do you think they'd be able to attract with such a budget?

Rex

As I said, strength is closely related to muscle size. You get stronger from progressive overload, which in turn will 'cause' muscle growth. You are just not going to get much stronger without the consequence of adding muscle mass, which is what you were initially saying was a benefit of gymnastics, right? Now, you can do plenty of overload without weights, but you are still going to add muscle mass.

Gunner89

Rex wrote:
As I said, strength is closely related to muscle size. You get stronger from progressive overload, which in turn will 'cause' muscle growth. You are just not going to get much stronger without the consequence of adding muscle mass, which is what you were initially saying was a benefit of gymnastics, right? Now, you can do plenty of overload without weights, but you are still going to add muscle mass.

I don't disagree with you on that.

I've added about 6 inches to my arms with progressive overload.

Rex

Well, you said they aren't going to spend big money. Guess we don't quite agree what 'big money' is! 🙂

Coombs

What's all this business about nicotine packets?

Biggus

Apparently players put tobacco under their upper lip and it gives them an energy boost, its another one of these filthy habits introduced from Scandinavia.

Rex

Coombs wrote:
What's all this business about nicotine packets?

Called snus. Actually only has negative effects on any type of endurance performance due to the effects of the nicotine.

Big Willie

What the hell is going on in this thread?

Klaus

Snus is my cryptonite. I haven't tried it in years but I've got a friend who never walks anywhere without it. Every time we were out drinking he'd offer me one. I'd have two beers, put in a snus package, and twenty minutes later I'd puke like a dog.

Great memories.

Klaus

Gunner89 wrote:
Rex wrote:
As I said, strength is closely related to muscle size. You get stronger from progressive overload, which in turn will 'cause' muscle growth. You are just not going to get much stronger without the consequence of adding muscle mass, which is what you were initially saying was a benefit of gymnastics, right? Now, you can do plenty of overload without weights, but you are still going to add muscle mass.

I don't disagree with you on that.

I've added about 6 inches to my arms with progressive overload.

Careful so they don't get too long though. That's gonna look really weird.

Gazza M

"From what i know vardy will stay at leicester"

Wenger commented on it in an interview with a Chinese sports station

We got hustled by his agent by the looks of it. Bit embarassing

Burnwinter

Gotta be in it to win it. Moving on ...

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