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Gazza M

ol Charlie watts say we're targeting number 10 and a striker in the summer. I can get behind that. gimme grealish and edouard

Clrnc

Doubt we have much cash left if we took Grealish.

Not many interesting strikers around there's not known yet. Not convinced by Edouard at all. Maybe Wamangituga

speedy

Clrnc wrote:
Doubt we have much cash left if we took Grealish.

Not many interesting strikers around there's not known yet. Not convinced by Edouard at all. Maybe Wamangituga

What do you not like about [font=Roboto, HelveticaNeue, Arial, sans-serif]Édouard. There's some things I'd be concerned about myself but all in all he looks to have huge talent. And he's got snake hips, which means when his upper body is not in the ideal position he still hits clean shots rather then scuffs the ball. [/font]

DKGooner

Gazza M wrote:
ol Charlie watts say we're targeting number 10 and a striker in the summer. I can get behind that. gimme grealish and edouard

Personally think reserve LB should be a big consideration with Tierney's injury record so far. We allegedly made an approach for Junior Firpo so maybe we go back in the summer.

Agree on a striker - can offload one of Auba or Lacazette and send Eddie and Martinelli out on loan. The latter two really need game time otherwise they will quickly stagnate and don't think we are in a position to give them consistent minutes. Would consider a cheeky bid for Lewandowski in the summer as he might consider a new challenge once Bayern seal another title. Not the age profile most on here would consider, but he would instantly transform our team and buys us a bit more time to develop/find another striker in the right age bracket.

Klaus

Never thought Lewandowski was that good a player personally as far as top level strikers go. I doubt he is capable of transforming a team. He seems like someone who would end up another Shevchenko if he moves to Premier League past 30. Huge wages too.

goon

How ever good he is, selling an old striker well past his peak for another one 3 years older than him isn't logic I can get behind.

Klaus

Didn't realise his ass is so old, but that would be another factor for sure.

DKGooner

I wouldn't normally consider players like that, but Ibra and Cavani are showing they are still capable. Haaland would still be first choice but he's not coming here. Can't think of anyone else we should gamble on and Lewandowksi is great as a lone striker. Wages the issue though.

jones

Lewandowski is easily the best striker in the world and has been for about two seasons. I hate his guts with a passion and he's too old but he'd tear the league apart for another year or so, at least until the roids wear off

Clrnc

jones wrote:
Lewandowski is easily the best striker in the world and has been for about two seasons. I hate his guts with a passion and he's too old but he'd tear the league apart for another year or so, at least until the roids wear off

Yeah. He is far too underrated for some reason here.

Same with Suarez. We should have gone for him this season. Everyone says he's finished but he's still scoring goals for fun

Gazza M

speedy wrote:
Clrnc wrote:
Doubt we have much cash left if we took Grealish.

Not many interesting strikers around there's not known yet. Not convinced by Edouard at all. Maybe Wamangituga

What do you not like about [font=Roboto, HelveticaNeue, Arial, sans-serif]Édouard. There's some things I'd be concerned about myself but all in all he looks to have huge talent. And he's got snake hips, which means when his upper body is not in the ideal position he still hits clean shots rather then scuffs the ball. [/font]

we need a player that is comfortable switching between 9.5 and outright 9. edouard is good playing both roles, and can actually dribble to create space for himself

mentalvortex

Clrnc wrote:
jones wrote:
Lewandowski is easily the best striker in the world and has been for about two seasons. I hate his guts with a passion and he's too old but he'd tear the league apart for another year or so, at least until the roids wear off

Yeah. He is far too underrated for some reason here.

Same with Suarez. We should have gone for him this season. Everyone says he's finished but he's still scoring goals for fun

Hindsight is always 20/20 but Suarez really looked like he was finished last season.

Some of the games he was downright awful with struggling to control simplest of passes.

Either Simeone has spurred on him or the motivation to get one over Barca has given him a new lease of life.

Claudius

I definitely would not have touched Suarez. He was atrocious last year. He had maybe 2 wonder goals, but largely pathetic performances.

Just stay away from these old players. We have suffered enough. I want us to pay player wages that are aligned with players future potential, not their past glories. The problem with signing a 32 year old is you very often end up paying for the career they had elsewhere, not the career they will have with you.

speedy

Exactly all the injuries etc catch up with them a lot.

Claudius

It is okay to infrequently sign the exceptional over 30 player. But in general avoid them. Consistently signing over 30 players has 3 problems. 1) they're typically in physical decline. 2) your salary is misaligned with that decline, 3) none of them will fetch a transfer fee. So take the occasional Cavani, but don't make it common practice as we have in recent years.

speedy

Claudius wrote:
It is okay to infrequently sign the exceptional over 30 player. But in general avoid them. Consistently signing over 30 players has 3 problems. 1) they're typically in physical decline. 2) your salary is misaligned with that decline, 3) none of them will fetch a transfer fee. So take the occasional Cavani, but don't make it common practice as we have in recent years.

Generally, Its the worst thing we can do. Its thr footballing equivalent of feeling shit because you've no money. And buying yourself and expensive jumper to feel better.

Claudius

I was annoyed when we signed Willian but I’ve tried not to get overly riled up about it just because it felt like something bad Arsenal management routinely does. Losing my mind from afar will only leave me nutty while Raul stacks his chips and lives his life. Last decade I’ve tried to not let this club get under my skin. We used to get irate with Lagos and co back in the day. To what end?

Klaus

Regarding signing old players, it's a bit of both maybe. Look at all the top leagues. Who are the top scorers? Old arse players, mostly. Zlatan is the best player in Italy at age 39, rivalled by Ronaldo who's 36. Lewanwowski is 33 in Bundesliga. Messi is 33 in La Liga; Ramos and Modric are 35. Vardy is 34 in Premier League and won the golden boot last season.

Football still isn't half as athletically demanding as most individual sports so there's bound to be more and more examples like this. I don't think the issue is going for older players who are actually good if there's an opportunity to do so. I think the issue is just Willian. Signing a shit footballer is a bad idea regardless of his age; signing one who's starting to slow down doubly so.

Coombs

Those are some of the most celebrated players of all time (bar Vardy). COVID has probably extended them as well. None of those guys are indicative of any general rule.

Klaus

But they're all playing well beyond where a natural peak would have been just a decade ago. You would get the rare player who performed well into their 30s in the past, but not a dozen of them at the same time who are dominating every league.

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