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The TV Thread (GoT spoilers)

Gazza M

i probably will stop the week to week thing and watch it when it's all over. i was duped by lost and dexter and followed them each week to their flaming wrecks of a final season. sons of anarchy was another thing i regrettably followed to the end. not doing it again.

Claudius

i enjoyed the last three episodes of this season. this thread was filled with "oh, my, it's so boring" for the first 7 episodes, and then after an action-packed (if somewhat chaotic) last 3 episodes, it's all "too many tricks", "too much happening".

i'm watching season 6 for a few reasons, namely
a) the timing of Jon's stabbing coinciding with the Red Witch's return. will she reanimate him?
b) what happens to the mother of dragons now that she is with the Dothraki? do she and Tyrion form a formidable alliance that marches West?
c) what becomes of King's Landing. will the Starks and Tyrells ally against the Sparrows?
d) does Sansa return to Littlefinger? what does he do with her? or is she smarter than to seek that schemer's help?

Killing off a lot of characters and departing Dorne was great. It will focus the story a bit more in the coming season (although I can see a prolonged reunification of Tyrion and the mother of dragons).

Pepe LeFrits

That was pretty piss poor alright. They've managed 4 great seasons and 1 dud so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt but they really need to tighten it up next season. In fairness to them, Martin’s most recent books were a bloated mess and they did try to slim it down, but they completely botched the job. There are still too many threads going on, and they somehow manage to make them simultaneously too slow AND rushed. Loads of shit went down in this episode but they fucked up the delivery of pretty much all of it. Totally disengaged as a viewer.

The writing of this season has been brutal. Not just the dialogue, which has been seriously clunky in places (particularly any time Dorne has come on screen), but the characterisation and plot. Characters are increasingly behaving in unbelievable ways because the plot needs them to in order to move in a certain direction. Alternatively characters just keep meeting coincidentally for the same purpose.

Hopefully without the books to hamstring them, they can write a season next year that actually makes sense and makes for compelling viewing again.

Pepe LeFrits

Also, this season was seriously lacking in charisma compared to seasons gone by. Season 6 needs more Varys and Queen of Thorns. Maybe more Prince Doran, he only had about 10 seconds of screen time but he was the only promising thing to come out of that Dorne story line.

Pepe LeFrits

Some speculation (spoilered it as it possibly contains some influence from the books, but TV viewers are probably ok to read it anyway tbh):

Melisandre going to Castle Black means she'll resurrect Jon Snow for sure. Why else would she go there? I'll be shocked if he's actually dead. He's clearly Melisandre's 'chosen one', Azor Azai reborn ‘in salt and smoke'. She'll bring him back from the dead and he'll be freed from his obligation to the poxy Night's Watch, so he can go and kick whatever ass he pleases.

Also, I have serious doubts whether Stannis is dead. The way they did it was very odd and inconclusive. Maybe Brienne thinks he can help her get Sansa back? Doesn’t really make sense, but then not much about GoT makes sense lately.

Arya revealing just how much of a little psychopath she has become was quite good. Otherwise, bah.

Claudius

My big fear is now Bran comes in with yet another storyline. And I'm so over Arya's story, even if she nailed the paedophile. Beware!
I really want them to keep it tight. Wall/walkers/Wildling, John, battle for Kings Landing, Eryie/Winterfell, Dothraki/Mereen. Now we really want to develop stories and spread the action a bit across the season. And hopefully the show is full Westeros by the end of the season.

I'd never been a big Cersei fan but Lena Headey won me over this season with her acting.

goon

Pepe LeFrits wrote:
Some speculation (spoilered it as it possibly contains some influence from the books, but TV viewers are probably ok to read it anyway tbh):

Melisandre going to Castle Black means she'll resurrect Jon Snow for sure. Why else would she go there? I'll be shocked if he's actually dead. He's clearly Melisandre's 'chosen one', Azor Azai reborn ‘in salt and smoke'. She'll bring him back from the dead and he'll be freed from his obligation to the poxy Night's Watch, so he can go and kick whatever ass he pleases.

Also, I have serious doubts whether Stannis is dead. The way they did it was very odd and inconclusive. Maybe Brienne thinks he can help her get Sansa back? Doesn’t really make sense, but then not much about GoT makes sense lately.

Arya revealing just how much of a little psychopath she has become was quite good. Otherwise, bah.

The actor who plays him has confirmed he's done though.

Pepe LeFrits

Meh, like he'd say anything else.

goon

I dunno, I think he's a goner personally. GRRM doesn't seem to like the Starks very much anyway, probably had a bad neighbour with the same name.

I do think Stannis is still alive. It's not like GoT to cut away from the gory bit.

Biggus

Err Jon Snow isn't a Stark.

Jus' sayin'.

Also for what it's worth I don't think Mycella is fucked either, Tyene fancies Bronn and would have given him some spare antidote.
The last thing we need is to give Cersei an excuse to go on a vengence mission.

Claudius

Wish Kingslayer had taken Tyene with him to King's Landing. She and Missandei are the only real pupil treats on the show.

Qwiss

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
So.. Will any of those who think GoT is a boring, predictable joke of a show stop watching it? 😆

Have you given up Arrow? You did spend most of the season complaining about it.

QuincyAbeyie

Chill, qwissle. Every season someones favorite character dies, thousands of fans complain, and next season the show has even more viewers than before. It's just funny to read the same pattern of criticism every season. Starts slow, and when something happens it isn't what people want to happen.

Qwiss

I don't agree. I think there has been a real turn in how the shows perceived this year. Its been a serious mess this year. The pacing was awful. The scatter-gun approach to fitting everyone has always been a problem but this season it got worse. It doesn't help adding in these relgious fanatics, the Dornish, etc Its very hard to invest in any of it at this stage.

It'll be interesting to see if it was just a bad season as they transition from the books to controlling things more themselves or if more freedom will mean Benioff and Weiss will make more mistakes.

Bosscielny

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Chill, qwissle. Every season someones favorite character dies, thousands of fans complain, and next season the show has even more viewers than before. It's just funny to read the same pattern of criticism every season. Starts slow, and when something happens it isn't what people want to happen.

Rinse and repeat. You may as well bookmark this page so you can quote yourself in a year.

If people are complaining about game of thrones then i'd love to know what they consider good television because i'm obviously missing out on something pretty special if this isn't good enough.

Claudius

Qwiss, in fairness, the TV show writers are primarily working off book reference material, save for some events in latter half of show. Even the stuff they were criticised heavily for, e.g., Sansa assault, was an attempt to manage the wandering nature of the books. Would we rather they had introduced this girl Poole, had Sansa in yet another setting. How do you tie all of that together? I sympathise with them given the expanisive world they have inherited from GRRM.

reminds me a lot of the criticisms that the director of Da Vinci Code had. how do you capture that richness that book readers loved while keeping the pacing?

Claudius

why the fark am i calling you Qwiss?

Qwiss

Claudius wrote:
Qwiss, in fairness, the TV show writers are primarily working off book reference material, save for some events in latter half of show. Even the stuff they were criticised heavily for, e.g., Sansa assault, was an attempt to manage the wandering nature of the books. Would we rather they had introduced this girl Poole, had Sansa in yet another setting. How do you tie all of that together? I sympathise with them given the expanisive world they have inherited from GRRM.

reminds me a lot of the criticisms that the director of Da Vinci Code had. how do you capture that richness that book readers loved while keeping the pacing?

Well I'm not saying the source material is great either. I think its pretty obvious by now that has its own host of problems. I just worry because this is the first season where they went beyond the books and its probably been the worst season. However, as I said, it could just be that transition that caused the drop in quality. I really hope B&H can try to bring things together more next season. The last thing GOT needs is more sprawl now. They need to start working towards and end point now.

Claudius

agree with your final statement. i'm sure they'll have received plenty of feedback on that and will be moving in that direction. you know there is too much happening when the Stannis scenes are dealt with in about 5 minutes at the beginning of the episode. there was a ton happening here, and it would've been nice to see it played out a little more to experience his emotional state

Jens

Biggus wrote:
Err Jon Snow isn't a Stark.

Jus' sayin'.

Also for what it's worth I don't think Mycella is fucked either, Tyene fancies Bronn and would have given him some spare antidote.
The last thing we need is to give Cersei an excuse to go on a vengence mission.

If Myrcella is alive then this whole Dorne storyline would have been for nought. I think she is dead personally. I mean in the books she gets badly disfigured. Which when Cersei finds out she will be just as angry as if she did die.

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