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The TV Thread (GoT spoilers)

Burnwinter

You would hope not. Martin is nothing if not a canny storyteller, he's not going to have things all line up neatly at the end.

Shady

It's D&D's story now, not GRRM's.

Qwiss

I wonder will the wide spread knowledge of it cause him to change that part of the story. I'd hope not. The majority of people would have no idea about it. Especially the TV audience.

Burnwinter

If I were him, I wouldn't change that bit.

But if his original outline for the books ended with Jon and Dany having a white wedding under an archway of flowers on the steps of the palace at King's Landing, while dragons soared overhead, I'm hoping he scratched that shit out years ago.

Shady

No point changing it.

Who's to say it will affect the plot much? GRRM loves leading the reader to expect something, before doing something completely different.

I remember reading and thinking Beric Dondarrion would become a huge character 😆

Gazza M

final season of one of the great action series, strike back. it will be sorely missed

banduan

Just finished watching Daredevil. Such a great show. You empathise with the bad guys in a way you shouldn't, especially Fisk. That scene with the ring...

Biggus

Shady Shakes wrote:
No point changing it.

Who's to say it will affect the plot much? GRRM loves leading the reader to expect something, before doing something completely different.

He's actually said that he loves listening to peoples theories and if they are close he'll change it just to fuck them over.

Shady

Hannibal is back, and as gorgeous a show as ever.

goon

Finally got around to watching the 1st episode after the break of The Walking Dead season 5. What a fucking chore. I don't know why I'm still watching it.

Shady

I've been a huge critic of The Walking Dead, but stick with it. There are some fantastic, truly harrowing moments to come, and the finale is superb.

Claudius

On GoT: three swords will not defeat an army of 200,000 wights. The swords are meaningless. A diversion. Only inserted to give us a Jon Snow Chuck Norris moment. The walkers and blue eyed, thorny headed man will breach the wall. If he really wants to "break the wheel", Martin will give victory to the walkers.

goon

Shady Shakes wrote:
I've been a huge critic of The Walking Dead, but stick with it. There are some fantastic, truly harrowing moments to come, and the finale is superb.

You were not wrong. The 'first' episode was deceptively woeful, but they did a great job with the rest.

Is it just me or have they been a lot more graphic in some of the scenes? Some really gory stuff, especially the Everybody Hates Chris part.

Qwiss

GoT was back to being shite this week. Is Dany supposed to be the hero of the show because her story is one of te worst written parts of the show for a few seasons now. They've made the unsullied look pathetic. Jorah is an annoying, illogical bore. The dragons are just a repetitive deus ex machina.

goon

Wouldn't go as far as to say it was shite and the dragons have been pretty pointless up until now so I think that was fairly significant, but agree on the other points. The unsullied have looked pathetic all season, find it difficult to understand how a bunch of slave masters can be so much better at fighting than soldiers who've quite literally been bred for this very purpose. It's a shootout between the Arya and Dorn stories for being the most mind numbingly slow and boring. The Stanis bit was harrowing though... I mean jeez.

Also frustrating is the fact that it was the penultimate episode of the season, and it's not really set up anything for a big finale.

Jens

The Stannis bit just ruined a fine character for me. For anyone wondering, that was not in the books. Stannis is supposed to be a character who cares alot about how he is percieved. He doesn't wanna be known as the king who ran, yet he is fine with being the king who burned his own daughter at the stake? Come on. Stannis held the siege of Storm's End despite great adversity, because his brother Robert had given him the task. He had no love for his brother but he did his duty, yet he shunned his duty as a father to protect his daughter? They are making Stannis a bad guy, which is not at all his character, presumably so he can go up against the good one in Dany, to make it easier for the viewer to understand. Very disappointing. They did the same thing with Meryn Trant, making him a pedo for no apparent reason so the viewer has a fresh reason to want him dead, when he has been on Aryas hit list all along.

I did enjoy the fighting pits scene for the most part, the Harpy revealing themselves throughout the crowd was very well shot.

Qwiss

Not sure how true it is but I've seen claims Stannis killing his daughter will be in the next book.

Shady

Stannis has burned loads of people before. He tried to burn Gendry (who was also a child).

I find it strange now that people would have become Stannis fans this season, but are turned off by him doing something that is in line with his character (at least in the show).

Game of Thrones is in a completely different world to ours. The stakes are so much higher. For me, the true test for Stannis is still to come, what his whole arc has been building up to, and that would be if he is given the chance to burn himself to help the true hero, will he do it?

Dragan

Shady Shakes wrote:
I find it strange now that people would have become Stannis fans this season, but are turned off by him doing something that is in line with his character (at least in the show).

Same here. I haven't read the books so based on the show I would've been disappointed if Stannis went against the red woman and chose his daughter over her prophecy. In the show Stannis has been shown as a man willing to do anything to get to the throne and having seen the power of the lord of light, going against it would be going against what he stands for making him even more pointless than he's been.

Jens

Shady Shakes wrote:
Stannis has burned loads of people before. He tried to burn Gendry (who was also a child).

I find it strange now that people would have become Stannis fans this season, but are turned off by him doing something that is in line with his character (at least in the show).

Game of Thrones is in a completely different world to ours. The stakes are so much higher. For me, the true test for Stannis is still to come, what his whole arc has been building up to, and that would be if he is given the chance to burn himself to help the true hero, will he do it?

It is indeed a different world, where you can burn a few peasants who get out of line as a Lord if you like, but your own daughter? That just doesn't fly, Joffrey didn't do that, yet harsh but righteous Stannis does?

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