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The TV Thread (GoT spoilers)

QuincyAbeyie

😆 I get that, tbf. It seems a bit watered out for me too. However, the one show Marvel's made for Netflix so far turned out brilliantly, so as long as the others do too, I don't mind.

To put it this way, three terrible shows and three great ones are better than just two great ones. As long as you can find the good shows, it doesn't matter if there are many awful shows out there.

Mirth

Daredevil was good but there's always the same question on my mind on DC Shows:

'Why can't Superman just sort all this shit out?'

Gazza M

arrow finale was poor. think ive given up on tv comic book shows aside from the netflix exclusive ones

QuincyAbeyie

General Mirth wrote:
Daredevil was good but there's always the same question on my mind on DC Shows:

'Why can't Superman just sort all this shit out?'

Daredevil is a Marvel show, that's why!

Also, was that question also on your mind while watching Nolan's Batman movies?

Biggus

OMFG poor Sansa......That didn't happen in the book.

banduan

qs! wrote:
banduan wrote:
Supergirl announced to tie into Arrow/Flash

You sure I can't find anything online about a tie in?

It's an assumed tie-in due to the fact that the series creators are the same.

They've also now launched Legends of Tomorrow. On the one hand, I fucking hate time-travel action shows. On the other OMG THE REAL CANARY.

Segway

Biggus wrote:
OMFG poor Sansa......That didn't happen in the book.

What happened to her?

Biggus

Scroll over white text Seggy.

She was married to Ramsey who brutally sodomised her on their wedding night.
Theon was forced to watch but did nothing.

Qwiss

Biggus wrote:
OMFG poor Sansa......That didn't happen in the book.

Another switch that supports Klaus misogyny theory then. Thought the whole scene was shit tbh. How often do they think they can go to that well?

Rex

What Biggus says happens isn't clear at all.

Rex

Her storyline is boring as hell though throughout the books.

Gazza M

the starks getting shafted is kinda old hat. that final scene was still awful to watch though.

Asterix

Really hope Ramsay gets it horribly at some point. Preferably from Sansa, but from Theon would do as well. Or Arya could come charging (or sneaking) to the rescue and put his eyes out. Slowly.

Klaus

qs! wrote:
Biggus wrote:
OMFG poor Sansa......That didn't happen in the book.

Another switch that supports Klaus misogyny theory then. Thought the whole scene was shit tbh. How often do they think they can go to that well?

Yeah. I don't know if you read the interview with the producers, but they basically said that since Sansa doesn't have that much to do in the books at this point they decided to have her raped. Because people had already formed an emotional attachment to her so it would upset them more. That's a pretty shitty treatment of a central character in the story.

I think it's a little bit disgusting how Sansa as a character has been threatened with rape pretty much throughout the show too, and the minute Sophie Turner who plays her turns eighteen they decide to sign off on it. They wanted her to do a nude scene immediately but she said no.

It's not that the subject of rape is impossible to portray on screen, but you're going to need showrunners with a bit more tact than Weiss and Benioff, and a network that is less exploitative than HBO if you want to do it. Game of Thrones has been the exact opposite of a show so far. It takes every opportunity to downput the feminine in favour of the masculine and revels in violence against women while exploiting their bodies on screen. It's not even subtle.

... And that's probably the biggest disappointment for me - it feels a bit like having a conversation about a serious topic with a pimplefaced 15-year-old boy. A show like Veronica Mars was, despite the high school framing of the story, able to use rape and its long-term effects as one of its central themes because it was made by grownups (for the most part anyway). Game of Thrones is just childish nonsense in comparison. It doesn't want to be taken seriously and it doesn't deserve to be. It's just a misogynistic power fantasy.

Burnwinter

The pattern is effectively similar to the books, even though it's now being classified as worse to show the pressures on the screenwriters. The outcry against the latest episode is reminiscent of the comparisons people used to draw between GRRM and even "rapier" writers like Terry Goodkind.

In so-called grimdark fantasy, violence against women is presented as transgressive, but is actually sharply circumscribed by the liberal tolerances of the (male viewpoint) audience.

The grossness is all part of the product. The media consumer-critic is expected to Goldilocks their way to a view on what level of violence against women is "just right". Up until a certain point, you will always find people willing to defend these works on the basis of their (alleged) realism or of their being, somehow, an edifying reminder of how terrible the things that can happen to women are. But they're just commodified violent titillation.

Jens

It did happen in the books, just not to Sansa. It happened to Jeyne Poole, a minor character axed from the show, that the Boltons claim to be Arya. Instead they married off Sansa to the Boltons so she'll fulfill the role of Jeyne Poole, which is basically getting hounded by Ramsay. I didn't care for the scene, and the tits-and-ass quota being filled no matter what every episode is getting on my nerves. It's very hacky showwriting.

Biggus

Rex wrote:
What Biggus says happens isn't clear at all.

Oh sweet innocent gentle Rex, this cruel world was not meant for such as you.
Ramsey has form for this, remember that last scene with Miranda?
With all the build up of the new harsher tougher Sansa I thought we'd see a real battle of wits between them, or failing that she'd have a little dagger to let the wind out of his bladder, but she couldn't really do that from the position she was in.

Gazza M

this is pretty cool. cant wait for more rick and morty

Segway

Cheers Biggus. Agree with Klaus in that GoT has become some sort of sick violent fantasy show that merely aims to shock the audience as much as possible. Stopped watching a long time ago for that reason. Shame because it's a pretty cool adult fantasy universe.

Qwiss

I'll still watch it but I used to be excited to see the next episode now its just another show I watch.

Sadly one of the best shows I've ever watched just ended too. And with a perfect finale, one of the best finales I've seen in years. Thats Mad Men. Thats right up as one of my all time personal favourites now.

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