Fuck Simeone, can't stand the sight of him and his cunty behaviour. I have no love for Real, but I hope they do Atletico in the final.
Champions League 2015/2016
Klaus wrote:jones wrote:Their political issues with him have been since the beginning as he rightly didn't want to work with some of the hacks employed by them. There's also a good level of xenophobia involved, especially on the executive and supervisory levels of their company
Yeah, exactly. Which, again, makes it strange that they wanted Guardiola of all people. You don't employ him and expect him to play 4-4-2 with a large clumsy centertank. You buy a manager like Guardiola because you buy into the football ideology he represents. Either someone screwed up badly, or it was the good old Bayern arrogance that got the better of them. "Even the most successful manager in the world wants to come here and be a part of the FC Bayern tradition!"
Is he the most successful manager in the world?
Don't think so.
Anyone can win the Bundsliga with Bayern and he only had one other team to compete against in Spain, and "only" two CL's.
You are right in saying that you do buy into the ideology and that is obviously what Sheiky are trying to do, but he didn't really succeed at Bayern given that the league title is an absolute minimum for a manger there so there are questions about whether he can be successful outside Spain.
I get the impression he's good but overrated, and has an arrogance problem that will erode his regime fast at City if he needs extra time.
I reckon Pep!City will have a real bounce initially but will find the Premier League hasn't gotten any easier to dominate over the summer.
Ricky1985 wrote:It beggar's belief we didn't sign Griezmann from Sociedad when we were negotiating the sale of Carlos Vela. What the fuck was Wenger thinking? Unless we tried and couldn't get him, for whatever reason, then that's a disgusting oversight from him.
He's probably one of the best 5 forwards in world football right now.
Unbelievable what we've been playing at in the last few years. I follow a French guy on Twitter and during a France game he said Wenger couldn't stop praising Griezmann enough. Said it sounded like he was a big fan and fuelled rumours we would make a move. So he definitely knows about the guy but for whatever reason we didn't make a move. It should be said though he has really improved under Atletico, at Sociedad he reminded me a bit of Theo in that he would look most effective when slipped through behind the defence. Under Simeone his all round game has really come on though.
Another thing is I get the impression he is most effective playing off a striker rather than being the main striker. All things considered we still should have been in for him, if anything I was quite surprised only Atletico seemed to be after him when he did move.
Burnwinter wrote:I get the impression he's good but overrated, and has an arrogance problem that will erode his regime fast at City if he needs extra time.
I reckon Pep!City will have a real bounce initially but will find the Premier League hasn't gotten any easier to dominate over the summer.
I don't know, I think he's going to find the PL a lot more competitive than anything he's faced previously, it'll also be interesting to see how he deals with his teams being actually tackled.
I think he'll do well in the PL because he will have the best squad and I don't see anyone else with massive resources getting their shit together any time soon. He is overrated though, and so is his style of football. You can talk about how a good a fit he is at Bayern etc but in reality its just a lot harder to be dominant without Messi. When you have the best player of all time racking up record numbers of goals as well as being creative you get called a tactical genius no matter what you do. City is going to be a massive challenge for Pep, if they win the CL before he joins he's screwed 
arsedoc md wrote:jones wrote:Three doubles in three years, three losses in the CL to the eventual winners (hopefully) in the semis. He's developed a good dozen or so players for them into class players, hope he crashes at City obv but this revisionist talk about him every time he loses a game is a bit strange
Just don't like this hopping on to top clubs with free resources. that's all. I am a fan of tiki taka and pep's football. And a sidenote mate, that losses to eventual winners is a wenger type excuse. Stay away from it.
Also it seems more revisionist to say nobody expected them to repeat the successes of heynckes when they were overwhelming favorites in every match coming throughout the next season and with high quality additions to the squad. Football royalty has been "barca real and bayern" past few seasons.
Also think he'll blow away the PL competition at City.
It's not a Wenger excuse, I just mentioned that as a sidenote to show he didn't fail against fucking Monaco for example.
People are quick to forget that the CL is a knockout competition and that you need a huge amount of luck to win those. Even the likes of Sacchi or Fungus who many seem to think is the best manager of all time won it as often as Guardiola and it took the latter what, three decades? The only manager to have ever won it thrice is Ancelotti and with him there are reasonable doubts about his ability to win league titles with teams Guardiola would have been slaughtered for if he hadn't won it with them.
I don't know, City have such a large collection of nothing footballers despite the money they've spent. They have a ridiculously good core to build from in Kompany, Silva, De Bruyne and Aguero but the rest of the team is very underwhelming and Toure is likely off. Don't think he'll be having it all his own way next season but should have enough to carry this City team over line, just not in the fashion he's done in the past with Barca and Bayern.
Biggus wrote:Klaus wrote:Yeah, exactly. Which, again, makes it strange that they wanted Guardiola of all people. You don't employ him and expect him to play 4-4-2 with a large clumsy centertank. You buy a manager like Guardiola because you buy into the football ideology he represents. Either someone screwed up badly, or it was the good old Bayern arrogance that got the better of them. "Even the most successful manager in the world wants to come here and be a part of the FC Bayern tradition!"
Is he the most successful manager in the world?
Don't think so.
Anyone can win the Bundsliga with Bayern and he only had one other team to compete against in Spain, and "only" two CL's.You are right in saying that you do buy into the ideology and that is obviously what Sheiky are trying to do, but he didn't really succeed at Bayern given that the league title is an absolute minimum for a manger there so there are questions about whether he can be successful outside Spain.
He certainly has picked the easiest jobs but then again who doesn't, who has ever voluntarily chosen to manage a shit team "for the challenge"? It certainly isn't as easy as many here think to win the Bundesliga, Dortmund's points total this season would've been enough to win the title in something like 49 out of the last 53 seasons and they'll still finish second, he's also just the third manager in Germany to win three consecutive league titles.
Similar to his titles in Spain where he's certainly had "only one opponent" but that one opponent would've walked the league in every other division in Europe. I feel dirty for defending a Bayern manager but he really can't seem to do right no matter what he does.
I expect him to pretty much walk the league next season. City's biggest problem is the attitude that their players have, every manager there has struggled to get the guys motivated, think the club staff pamper them too much or something. With Guardiola at least that's one thing you know he won't let go, also there's the transfer rampage we can expect especially with FFP not in effect anymore.
The league is really still there for the taking. I'd expect Conte to struggle with it being his first time managing abroad, at United it seems they're considering giving LVG another season, Leicester will struggle to keep their squad together (Kanté is apparently already linked to PSG), Spurs and Spurs and we are fourth, hard to see past City really.
Biggus wrote:Klaus wrote:Yeah, exactly. Which, again, makes it strange that they wanted Guardiola of all people. You don't employ him and expect him to play 4-4-2 with a large clumsy centertank. You buy a manager like Guardiola because you buy into the football ideology he represents. Either someone screwed up badly, or it was the good old Bayern arrogance that got the better of them. "Even the most successful manager in the world wants to come here and be a part of the FC Bayern tradition!"
Is he the most successful manager in the world?
Don't think so.
Trophy for trophy he was the most successful manager in the world when they signed him. It's not up for debate; it's a fact. He won 14 trophies in 4 years in Spain, excluding the individual trophies he picked up along the way.
Mourinho, for reference, managed a whooping 2 trophies in 3 years with the most expensive team in history.
this looks like it will devolve into semantics and pedantics but yea, Guardiola has to be the most successful manager. That trophy haul during those couple of seasons is ridiculous. And they did it with style too.
jones wrote:at United it seems they're considering giving LVG another season,
surely they must be sadomasochistic.
Fitting given LVG's faible for sex masochism
What makes you say that? Van Gaal has done alright. I'd give him 1 more season. Only thing is, not making top 4 may be too bad for a club as big as United and that may be the
I'd give him one more season too, but that's because I support Arsenal and want to see them suffer.
United are building for 1 or 2 years from now while still trying to do as best as they can at the moment. Van Gaal is laying the foundation. They'll have a crop of very good players 2 years time.
Who do we want to win here? I dislike Real and I am pretty confident Atletico can do City in the final so I wouldn't mind City making into the final.
Kompany injured, good news for us.
@clarence: City to lose plz, can't risk them winning the champions league.
yeah, c'mon City!
Just lost glass Kompany though