Gimenez is fantastic. Probably one of the best young defenders I have seen.

Undiano fucking Atlético over as usual

Vietto equalises finally, great work by Jackson for the assist

Keylor Navas saves Real again...He's been in great form.

@[deleted] I'd take most of the Atletico side to Arsenal (besides F. Torres)

I feel that Correa really reminds me of Aguero...I don't think he would leave Atletico so easily though. They stuck by him through that heart tumor and found the best doctors to operate on him.

The first 75 minutes were very tense, the last 15 were incredibly open.

Thoughts on this match (who cares lol):

• Keylor Navas was incredible and Real are lucky they don't know how to use a fax because he's been as good as De Gea was last year this season. That penalty save vs Griezmann is one of the best I've ever seen
• Mourinho is a fucking idiot for selling Luis, not even looking at how shit Ivanovic has been Luis is way better at LB than Azpilicueta. Had Bale in his pocket while playing like a LW most of the game
• We definitely have to pounce on one of the attackers Atlético will have to sell next summer, Griezmann, Correa, Vietto and Ferreira is overkill when Simeone is sure to play one of Torres or Jackson in a 4-4-2. On recent showings I'd even take Torres tbh

Bryant wrote:

Keylor Navas saves Real again...He's been in great form.

@[deleted] I'd take most of the Atletico side to Arsenal (besides F. Torres)

I feel that Correa really reminds me of Aguero...I don't think he would leave Atletico so easily though. They stuck by him through that heart tumor and found him the best doctors to operate on him.

Didn't see your post earlier. Yeah Correa might not want to leave but this is the level of talent where you just force the club's hand, 80m will at least make them think twice about it. The comparisons are obvious (Argentinian at Atlético) but I'd say he has even more to his game, his dribbling is better than Kun's was at that age. Last time I was so sure that a young striker would make it to the top was actually Agüero.

We need to poach some of those Atletico scouts. They sure pick up some fantastic talent on a regular basis.

We actually don't. Correa was well known to many clubs as a top talent. What matters is we have a manager to act on them.

Correa was certainly known, Gimenez on the other hand I don't think anybody heard anything of, they paid roughly 500k for him and he's already a massive steal. Either way we would do well with their scouts and a manager to act on them.

Don't the Spanish clubs still have an advantage over us when signing players from South-America?

Not looking at factors like language barrier, culture shock and the weather differences Spain doesn't have the visa problems that we regularly face when we get players from the Americas. That's only a problem if we're getting unproven youngsters though, if we bought a Neymar or someone of that ilk and paid a corresponding fee that wouldn't be a problem either.

I think anyone who cost more than £10 million automatically qualifies for a special talent visa in England these days, so it's not a worry when big money is involved. It does make it difficult to scout youth, but I agree with Jonesy - Correa looks like the kind of talent you'd happily pay that much for. I've seen him twice now and he's been incredible both times.

I do not follow La Liga at all, but saw the bench of Real on their match with Levante:
13 Casilla Cortés
18 Vázquez Iglesias
20 Jesé
21 Cheryshev
28 Llorente Moreno
29 Mayoral Moya
32 Lienhart

What the hell, what is this bunch? Do they have massive amount of injuries, shallow depth squad or what?

Modric, James, Benz, Carvajal and Pepe are injured.

wenger use to pounce on these quality french players. now he just window shops.

I soooo wanted us to sign Griezmann in January preceding last summer, and then I desperately wanted us to sign him last summer. We did sign Alexis though, so that sort of made up for it. In retrospect, we should have signed both of them.

Yeah, someone like Greizmann would complete our front three

we had the perfect in with sociedad too. we'll give you 12m and vela's rights ... done and dusted. only competition was atletico and we pay much better than them.

I probably underrated Griezman when he was at Sociedad but I still don't rate him as most people do. To me he's a bit like Theo, with better technique minus the blistering place. I reckon he'll always be a tier below the real top class footballers.

Talents like Correa,Martial etc on the otherhand you just know are going to be among the very best footballers in the world baring any injuries.

BTW Santi Mina is probably worth keeping an eye on for Valencia, was really impressed by him yesterday.

Griezmann didn't want to come to Arsenal, what did you want Wenger to do? Since when did Wenger use to pounce on expensive French players anyway? The last one I can think of was arguably Nasri.

Tactics wrote:

I probably underrated Griezman when he was at Sociedad but I still don't rate him as most people do. To me he's a bit like Theo, with better technique minus the blistering place. I reckon he'll always be a tier below the real top class footballers.

Talents like Correa,Martial etc on the otherhand you just know are going to be among the very best footballers in the world baring any injuries.

BTW Santi Mina is probably worth keeping an eye on for Valencia, was really impressed by him yesterday.

Nah. Griezmann is definitely one of the best 5 players in La Liga. He's carrying Atletico this season with his goals.

Art wrote:

Griezmann didn't want to come to Arsenal, what did you want Wenger to do? Since when did Wenger use to pounce on expensive French players anyway? The last one I can think of was arguably Nasri.

who told you he didn't want to come to arsenal? there is more evidence based on wenger's historical behavior that griezmann's body of work at sociedad didn't convince wenger that he was worth the buyout clause (€30m). and since when is €30m expensive in 2014 ... slightly more expensive than danny welbeck and chambers?

when we fail to sign a player because another club can offer higher wages it's what do you expect wenger to do? then when other clubs who can't compete with us on wages sign those players it's what do you expect wenger to do? well if griezmann didn't want to come to arsenal for more money then it's not the club he didn't want to play for, it's the manager.

Of course we could have signed Griezmann last summer.

Meatwad wrote:

Art wrote:

Griezmann didn't want to come to Arsenal, what did you want Wenger to do? Since when did Wenger use to pounce on expensive French players anyway? The last one I can think of was arguably Nasri.

who told you he didn't want to come to arsenal? there is more evidence based on wenger's historical behavior that griezmann's body of work at sociedad didn't convince wenger that he was worth the buyout clause (€30m). and since when is €30m expensive in 2014 ... slightly more expensive than danny welbeck and chambers?

when we fail to sign a player because another club can offer higher wages it's what do you expect wenger to do? then when other clubs who can't compete with us on wages sign those players it's what do you expect wenger to do? well if griezmann didn't want to come to arsenal for more money then it's not the club he didn't want to play for, it's the manager.

Griezmann himself? He came out and said something to the effect of he wanted Simeone, not Wenger after he signed for Atletico. Wenger was swooning over him all throughout the WC campaign, he clearly seemed to rate him, at least on a superficial level.

So yeah it had to with the manager, it probably wouldn't have changed anything if someone else other than Wenger was here either. Unless that someone happened to be Simeone.

there is a big difference between him saying (after signing for atletico) that he wanted to play for a great manager like simeone (everyone says that) versus i chose atletico over arsenal because of the manager. we weren't even on the case at that release price.

wenger rates a ton of players on a superficial level. when it's time to pull the trigger at a price he doesn't agree with, it's a different story. 

Of course he would have signed for us had we wanted him. The rest is just air.

Watching the highlights of Gijon - Granada (here) I noticed their winger Isaac Success. Guy has ridiculous physique, built like Ronaldo and only 19 years old. If Watford manage to stay up I reckon we'll see him in the Premier League soon as the Pozzo family own all of Granada, Udinese Calcio and Watford. Think this guy has a future, his build alone will help him but he has actually pretty impressive feet and technique for his size.

Love the name!

Isaac Success

Keylor Navas had yet another incredible game for Madrid against Celta. At this rate Madrid will surely not sign De Gea again. This has worked out well for both clubs. Forget Ronaldo, he's Madrid best player currently. He's conceded only 3 goals, but has the best save percentage in Europe of over 90% despite facing the most shots as well.

Most shots faced in Europe Top 5 leagues
Navas (113)
Szczesny (88)
Trapp (80)
Hart (69)
Neuer (66)

Clrnc wrote:

Most shots faced in Europe Top 5 leagues
Navas (113)
Szczesny (88)
Trapp (80)
Hart (69)
Neuer (66)

I find it hard to believe that the top clubs in Europe have the most shots on target against them.

That's most likely just for the respective league leaders. Remarkable anyways that Navas apparently faced almost double the amount of shots that Hart did when Real's defence is leagues better than City's.

Not the most significant difference, but Caballero played the game where City were thrashed by Spurs as well.

jones wrote:

That's most likely just for the respective league leaders. Remarkable anyways that Navas apparently faced almost double the amount of shots that Hart did when Real's defence is leagues better than City's.

They haven't been leagues better this season. They may not concede much, but that's mainly down to Navas who's been incredible.

Navas has been in ridiculous form but I think Real have been very sound defensively as well, Ramos especially has looked much more assured in defence than last year.

Mirth wrote:

Clrnc wrote:

Most shots faced in Europe Top 5 leagues
Navas (113)
Szczesny (88)
Trapp (80)
Hart (69)
Neuer (66)

I find it hard to believe that the top clubs in Europe have the most shots on target against them.

Distance hit and hope efforts maybe?

jones wrote:

That's most likely just for the respective league leaders. Remarkable anyways that Navas apparently faced almost double the amount of shots that Hart did when Real's defence is leagues better than City's.

I don't know, it follows the logic of a top team to me. It's the tradeoff for playing guys like Modric and Kroos as a central midfield while having fullbacks who push up so far. Casillas used to face a lot of shots every season too.

Real Madrid deal with it precisely because they have better keepers and defenders than most other teams out there. They try to limit the angles rather than to close out opponents completely with man-marking and sitting midfielders. It's more important to them to control the midfield with the ball than it is to nullify the opposition without it. That's why they are at least two classes above Chelsea as a team.

Both beautiful goals but the assist for the first one is just ridiculous.

Haven't seen it with Roberto in the past to be honest, seemed tidy enough on the ball with good technique but nothing that made him look like a real prospect in the past. He's made a huge leap in his development this season, slotted in at right back seamlessly and he's actively controlling games from CM too now. With Messi, Turan and Vidal to come into the team in the next two months I think Barcelona might be the first team to retain their CL title this year.

How has Munir been? Has he lived up to the hype?

I don't think he has. Not lived up to my expectations so far, at least. He doesn't seem as special as he once did.

Not really, going through the motions at the moment which you expect from a youngster, but make no mistake he's incredibly talented, the way he takes about five touches when he's running with the ball when most would take two is incredibly hard to learn. He'll definitely make it at a top club if not at Barcelona.

Another kid (interestingly Moroccan again) with a very similar skill set is Bakkali who scored this goal for Levante earlier today: