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QuincyAbeyie

I watch plenty of TV shows, probably way too many. What I meant was just that when I say it's an average Sherlock episode I still enjoy it more than a good episode of Arrow or The Flash. The Moriarty arc is far superior to anything else on that show, on that I agree.

Gazza M

the sherlock special kind of sucked, and was a mess. the whole series has been very uneven, but it's still worth checking out for cumberbatch and freemans performances

Burnwinter

Watched the first three episodes of Fargo S1 over the weekend.

The end of the first episode certainly came as a shock.

Overall (and having seen a couple more episodes), there's something a bit odd so far about the mixture of the casual violence and the male-female relationships in the show. So much drama is about unfulfilled husbands who hate their wives these days, I don't know if it's always been this way, but it's a bit creepy.

Rex

Yup, you are right; husbands have always hated their wives. 🙂

jones

Burnwinter wrote:
there's something a bit odd so far about the mixture of the casual violence

I thought that and the sudden switching between awkward and silly situations to very tense moments were a big part of the first season's allure. That and Thornton's acting of course.

Rex

Malvo is just one of the coolest characters tv has ever created.

Burnwinter

jones wrote:
I thought that and the sudden switching between awkward and silly situations to very tense moments were a big part of the first season's allure. That and Thornton's acting of course.

Jury's out on whether I like it or I don't at this point—same goes for Thornton's character, who at this point is as impenetrable as Anton Chigurh. But I'm deeply suspicious of it.

The original Fargo was characterised by the groundedness of its morality (Marge and Norm Gunderson) underpinning the tableau of violence somewhat under that mid-90s Tarantino spell, so I guess I'll soon see whether that facet survived the TV adaptation.

Gazza M

the first episode of billions was pretty good. paul giamatti and damian lewis performances set the stage for an interesting cat and mouse game as the season unfolds

Qwiss

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
I watch plenty of TV shows, probably way too many. What I meant was just that when I say it's an average Sherlock episode I still enjoy it more than a good episode of Arrow or The Flash. The Moriarty arc is far superior to anything else on that show, on that I agree.

Well you see I disagree completely there. Id much rather watch a vood episode of Flash or Arrow than pretty much any of Sherlock since the Reichenback Fall (and a few before that too). Now even Arrows great second season doesn't come close to that sherlock high but having 2 great episodes and loads of crappy ones doesn't make a show something special.

jones

Burnwinter wrote:
jones wrote:
I thought that and the sudden switching between awkward and silly situations to very tense moments were a big part of the first season's allure. That and Thornton's acting of course.

Jury's out on whether I like it or I don't at this point—same goes for Thornton's character, who at this point is as impenetrable as Anton Chigurh. But I'm deeply suspicious of it.

The original Fargo was characterised by the groundedness of its morality (Marge and Norm Gunderson) underpinning the tableau of violence somewhat under that mid-90s Tarantino spell, so I guess I'll soon see whether that facet survived the TV adaptation.

Depending on your definition of impenetrable I somewhat agree with you. If you mean it in the sense aloof or almost invincible I can certainly see the comparison to Chigurh, if you're talking about his character traits being opaque then I think Malvo has more to him; even if his motives aren't always exactly clear you can see some sadistic joy when he's spreading mischief and generally loves being a malevolent asshole.

banduan

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
I watch plenty of TV shows, probably way too many. What I meant was just that when I say it's an average Sherlock episode I still enjoy it more than a good episode of Arrow or The Flash. The Moriarty arc is far superior to anything else on that show, on that I agree.

The Moriarty Arc was frankly awful.

QuincyAbeyie

Do you like the other episodes better or do you not like the show? I've noticed that opinion on Andrew Scott is very split, I personally think his is the most enjoyable performance, and that says a lot as I'm a huge fan of Freeman.

Qwiss

I think Freeman is brilliant on it. He's gotten better as an actor since it started too. Cumberbatch is too one note that now I'm kind of sick of him.

Burnwinter

Bandersnatch is massively overrated. Martin Freeman would've been a far better Hamlet with the NT for example.

banduan

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Do you like the other episodes better or do you not like the show? I've noticed that opinion on Andrew Scott is very split, I personally think his is the most enjoyable performance, and that says a lot as I'm a huge fan of Freeman.

Oh I like the Moriarty. I just find the whole arc highly contrived.

What I love most about Sherlock is the humour and character. The plot desperately needs to take a backseat.

Asterix

Burnwinter wrote:
Bandersnatch is massively overrated. Martin Freeman would've been a far better Hamlet with the NT for example.

Oh, gosh, I have to say I disagree there. I watched the NT production at the movies and thought he was brilliant. A really nuanced performance that brought out subtleties in lines that I hadn't noticed before. Whereas I find Martin Freeman almost the same in everything - little pauses and subtle, almost jerky movements. Although I must say I think his performance in the Sherlock special was very good. Oh well, opinions and all that.

As to the Sherlock special I enjoyed the first half then it just got silly. Gatiss and Moffatt have done that a fair bit in Doctor Who as well, with several unintelligible episodes and story arcs.

Asterix

Rex wrote:
Haven't watched agent Carter. Any good?

Really enjoyed Agent Carter. Not just for Hayley either, although she is gorgeous.

arsedocmd

making a murderer. Half way in, eerie, spooky, maddening, etc.

Burnwinter

@[deleted] Really? Saw it at the movies, and I thought Cumberbatch's Hamlet was an awful, one-note, dialled to eleven shit show. Probably BS about Freeman being better though 🙂

Asterix

Ah well Burnsy - no accounting for taste outside of football teams is there?! I would agree it was dialled up - a bit of a "star turn", but then I liked that his Hamlet wasn't just a brooding morose bugger. We got to see some humanity from Hamlet, who is after all a young man. He has humour. I quite liked the staging of the production too, and thought Ciaran Hinds and the actor who played Cordelia were also very good.

Alternatively, I saw Henry V at the RSC in Stratford last year, and while it was very good, the staging was more traditional. I've also seen Taming of the Shrew at The Globe. I am quite happy to see Shakespeare done traditionally as well as get mucked around a bit. Not saying you're not - just saying.

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