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Julian Draxler

Anzac

TBH if we're talking of buying a player to convert to CF then I'd rather go with Firmino as at least he's played the role for club and country, and has previously proven he can both score and create in numbers.
That said does not mean I would not want Draxler (ahead of Gotze), as I like the way he used to look to attack the byeline & into the area. The new Pires type perhaps?

Klaus

dreamlord wrote:
Sanchez has been crap in the 3-4 games he's played up top for us. Talk of playing him there is like when people wanted Podolski up front. You say Draxler doesn't move like a striker, Klaus, yet go on and say Sanchez has great potential as a striker. Weird.

Because Draxler is a pure midfielder while Sanchez actually plays there already on international level. He played half a season up front for Barca too and was pretty stellar. There's a precedent when it comes to Alexis. There's zero indication that Draxler will make a good striker, apart from his size.

Klaus

A striker is not the same thing as a centreforward, by the way. Who gives a crap about whether Alexis could emulate Giroud or not? The whole point of sticking him up front would be that we don't have to play that way.

Anzac

Klaus wrote:
A striker is not the same thing as a centreforward, by the way. Who gives a crap about whether Alexis could emulate Giroud or not? The whole point of sticking him up front would be that we don't have to play that way.

This,
and hence why I'd even take the likes of Martinez for incremental individual improvements if it meant we moved away from this centric possession passing style.

Clrnc

Klaus wrote:
Because Draxler is a pure midfielder while Sanchez actually plays there already on international level. He played half a season up front for Barca too and was pretty stellar. There's a precedent when it comes to Alexis. There's zero indication that Draxler will make a good striker, apart from his size.

He plays as a withdrawn forward with Vargas and Chile's system is so flexible with their 3412. It's completely different from playing up top alone for us. Podolski is a brilliant striker too for Koln, he's shit for us.

And he didn't play HALF a season up front for Barca. A few match here and there, even Cesc played up front more and we all know Barca's system is not replicable by any others.

Klaus

Alexis replaced Messi when he was out. It's not about Barca's system, it's about not being used as a target man.

A 5 ft 8 Vargas is a fairly small guy too; and certainly less physical than Alexis Sanchez. He's hardly the towering centreforward who creates space for Alexis that you make him out to be. Chile play without a target man. If Alexis can play in a two-man attack like that he can play on his own too.

Again, I'm not advocating for us to just swap Giroud with Alexis. We need a better gameplan. Our game falls apart without Giroud because we've built the team that way, but the way we've built the team is not something to be proud of. We were moving away from it towards the end of the season, a fact that influenced Giroud's poor form just as much as fatigue. He can't make runs in behind the defence because he has zero pace. People want to give Walcott a shot up front all the time, but Alexis is a more natural striker in most aspects.

marv3llous

Klaus wrote:
Alexis replaced Messi when he was out. It's not about Barca's system, it's about not being used as a target man.

Again, I'm not advocating for us to just swap Giroud with Alexis. We need a better gameplan. Our game falls apart without Giroud because we've built the team that way, but the way we've built the team is not something to be proud of. We were moving away from it towards the end of the season, a fact that influenced Giroud's poor form just as much as fatigue. He can't make runs in behind the defence because he has zero pace. People want to give Walcott a shot up front all the time, but Alexis is a more natural striker in most aspects.

I agree

One name: Benzema

He's been the "supportive-creative-CF" in Real for years and he's been really good at it. In addition, he can take a man on and dribble with a ball a bit and can make the runs behind, unlike Giroud. Plus he and Özil already know each others game.

Klaus

Benzema would be almost perfect, but that's wish list material for now. It makes no sense for Real Madrid to sell us their starting striker.

Dragan

Klaus wrote:
People want to give Walcott a shot up front all the time, but Alexis is a more natural striker in most aspects.

I'd rather Walcott up front and Alexis on the wings than other way around. Alexis likes to have the ball at his feet and get involved in the build up regardless of whether he plays on the wings for us or up front for Chile. He will drop deep most of the time and we will lose shape. Walcott makes better runs, likes to be on the end of attacks and when in form is arguably the better finisher. Sanchez can only be used in a 2 striker system IMO, playing as a lone forward would require complete transformation from his playing style.

marv3llous

Klaus wrote:
Benzema would be almost perfect, but that's wish list material for now. It makes no sense for Real Madrid to sell us their starting striker.

i know! Him and Özil running things ... :drool:

dreamlord

Klaus wrote:
Because Draxler is a pure midfielder while Sanchez actually plays there already on international level. He played half a season up front for Barca too and was pretty stellar. There's a precedent when it comes to Alexis. There's zero indication that Draxler will make a good striker, apart from his size.

Nah, my post wasn't about Draxler, since I've rarely seen him play. I was talking only about Sanchez. Got no clue whether Draxler will ever be a CF and whatnot, but I'm pretty sure Sanchez won't be playing centrally for us, and with good reason. Walcott will be our backup CF, assuming we don't sign another attacker.

Klaus

You said: "You say Draxler doesn't move like a striker, Klaus, yet go on and say Sanchez has great potential as a striker. Weird."

I answered why I didn't think it was weird.

Patters

He already has played centrally for us quite a few times. Comparisons with Podolski are rubbish. That he doesn't move off the ball quite like Walcott isn't too damaging, but even then he has scored a few goals with good movement. He's a volume player, his success rate isn't high but because of his engine, he gets through on goal a number of times every game. He can play anywhere across the front line - exactly where he plays should be determined by the options and form of other players. But he absolutely can play as a CF and he is, and will, score a shedload.

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