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Anyone still wanna get jiggy with tha higgy?

dreamlord

Neymar and Messi provide Suarez with as much space and pin point passes as he provides them.

Besides, Suarez is like a goal (?) behind Higuain in the Golden Boot?

jones

dreamlord wrote:
Neymar and Messi provide Suarez with as much space and pin point passes as he provides them.

I said Suárez is a large part of that attack as well didn't I, also Suárez profits a lot more of Messi's game than the other way around.

No comparison to Napoli's attack at all, Callejon Mertens Allan Hamsik etc all are extremely direct and go for goal themselves most of the time.

Clrnc

jones wrote:
Clrnc wrote:
Better season than Suarez? No chance.

You could make a case, Barcelona are on a different level altogether to Napoli and it's a lot easier to produce the goods when you have Neymar and obviously Messi providing you with space and pinpoint passes. Suárez is a large part of that attack too obviously but I think the way Higuain has stepped up this season has been even more impressive as all of Napoli's attacks run through him.

Much of a muchness, either one leading the line for us this season and we're winning the league easily.

Doesn't mean he had a better season though.

The thing about Higuain is, he is an extremely clinical striker, but he needs good service and support. Suarez depends less on that, because he has individual skills in unlock defence and is generally a game changer. We have seen how Suarez carried a poorer team like Liverpool, so what Higuain is doing is commendable, but not exceptional.

jones

I'm not sure I agree. Higuain is much more than just a clinical striker this season, he's extremely well rounded with a great all round game. Some of the goals he scored you'd seriously associate with Messi, dribbling past three or four players before chipping the goalie.

It doesn't show in his assist stats because of how direct Napoli are but he's actually very creative with his passing too, creates several chances a game with a good cross field or through ball. I wouldn't say he's the better player out of the two but I think there's very little if anything between his and Suárez' seasons and looking at the respective quality of their team mates I'd say Higuain edges it.

Savz

Laughable.

Suarez is playing against some of the best teams in Europe, and scoring. Higuain is playing in Italy. No chance in hell Higuain is edging Suarez's season.
Suarez has scored twice vs Madrid and Atleti and has produced when it mattered. To be the top scorer of La Liga is more impressive than being a well rounded top scorer for Napoli in Seria A.

"very creative with his passing too, creates several chances a game with a good cross field or through ball."

If you're not in the top 40 assist makers in Serie A, I'm unfortunately not going to call you a creative striker.

In the last 2 seasons Suarez been unreal. When Neymar and Messi have been injured too

Klaus

Higuain is having the best season out of any European striker I've seen bar possibly Ibra. He's going to end up as the greatest since Maradona in Napoli if he wins them the league this year.

Savz

Can you explain what you factor in when choosing who is having the best season.

Klaus

I watch the players and decide who I think looks most impressive. Then I see if stats back up the view, which they do in both cases here. Ibrahimovic averages more than a goal per game this season and the same was true for Higuain up until a few weeks ago.

I don't blame people who don't watch Napoli for thinking that Higuain is a bit hit and miss, because he was that way in the past, but he's seriously been better than Suarez this season. If someone with more cred like Agüero had played like this people wouldn't hesitate to call him the best striker around.

flobaba

Savz wrote:
Laughable.

...Higuain is playing in Italy...

Right here.
You could have stopped right here.

Biggus

Before the whole thing collapses into the usual Neymar Messi Suarez wankfest?

jones

Klaus wrote:
I watch the players and decide who I think looks most impressive.

Not that I disagree with the rest of your post but this really should be enough for people who'd like to embarrass themselves by calling other opinions 'laughable' when they haven't even watched the games or players in question.

dreamlord

Savz wrote:
Laughable.

Suarez is playing against some of the best teams in Europe, and scoring. Higuain is playing in Italy. No chance in hell Higuain is edging Suarez's season.
Suarez has scored twice vs Madrid and Atleti and has produced when it mattered. To be the top scorer of La Liga is more impressive than being a well rounded top scorer for Napoli in Seria A.

"very creative with his passing too, creates several chances a game with a good cross field or through ball."

If you're not in the top 40 assist makers in Serie A, I'm unfortunately not going to call you a creative striker.

In the last 2 seasons Suarez been unreal. When Neymar and Messi have been injured too

Yep, pretty much.

Clrnc

Klaus just doesn't rate Suarez, no matter what he does. 37 goals and 15 assists this season, more than Higuain and Ibra in a more difficult league says a lot. Not surprised though, given that he didn't rate him when he broke the PL scoring records for Liverpool in the past.

jones

I rate Suárez very highly though. Pedro got 20 goals and 20 assists couple seasons back and while I actually think he's a good player it shows how your stats get inflated when you're playing for Barcelona. Again, rating the Argentinian over the Uruguayan this season or the other way around this season are both perfectly fine opinions, I just tend to the former because of the higher difficulty in achieving his tally, take a look at the kinds of goals they scored for example.

Only thing laughable is to make it sound like there's a gulf in quality between them.

Klaus

I rate Suarez. I just don't think he's on the same level as some of the other world class strikers out there.

QuincyAbeyie

jones wrote:
I rate Suárez very highly though. Pedro got 20 goals and 20 assists couple seasons back and while I actually think he's a good player it shows how your stats get inflated when you're playing for Barcelona. Again, rating the Argentinian over the Uruguayan this season or the other way around this season are both perfectly fine opinions, I just tend to the former because of the higher difficulty in achieving his tally, take a look at the kinds of goals they scored for example.

Only thing laughable is to make it sound like there's a gulf in quality between them.

It's not like his stats have improved immensely from his Liverpool days, I don't quite buy that inflated stats theory. Sometimes improve their stats, some stay the same and some have worse stats. Ibrahimovic's and Villa's stats weren't inflated at Barcelona.

jones

Ibrahimovic flopped at Barcelona, he was benched for Bojan for the second half of the season ffs. Villa also didn't really fit their system, similar to Henry he was a striker who was shunted to the wing for the first time in his career. Suárez is Barcelona's CF though while Messi, despite being the better goalscorer, is playing a lot deeper providing both him and Neymar with loads of chances every game.

I wasn't saying that Suárez' stats are simply inflated by the way, he's obviously playing extremely well. Again, my point is it's easier to score 26 in 28 for Barcelona than 29 in 30 for Napoli.

Klaus

jones wrote:
Villa also didn't really fit their system, similar to Henry he was a striker who was shunted to the wing for the first time in his career.

Same with Ibra to be fair. He was great for half a season as a centreforward and then they started playing him on the wing instead, and he wasn't having any of it.

Klaus

jones wrote:
Again, my point is it's easier to score 26 in 28 for Barcelona than 29 in 30 for Napoli.

Yep. Nothing players like Pedro have scored for fun at Barca in the past. When there's world class everywhere around you and every pass has perfect weight on it it's easy to play. It doesn't mean you're not good; it just means it's a lot easier. Part of the idea of the modern superclubs like Barca, Real and Bayern is that they have grown so superior that they'll steamroll anyone even on a bad day.

Clrnc

jones wrote:
I wasn't saying that Suárez' stats are simply inflated by the way, he's obviously playing extremely well. Again, my point is it's easier to score 26 in 28 for Barcelona than 29 in 30 for Napoli.

Suarez has did it before for Liverpool though. Cavani scored plenty for Napoli as well. It is not that difficult to score in Serie A. Higuain is obviously playing well but this is his breakthrough season after 2 years in Italy.

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