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FIFA corruption

Clrnc

What a fantastic day of Football seriously. Blatter resigning, Rodgers staying. Brilliant.

Mirth

One's a deluded fool with no idea of what's been happening around him. The other used to be President of Fifa.

Bold Tone

awooga83 wrote:
Well this news brightened my evening. Good first step to sorting things out, hopefully it won't just be a case of trying to blame everything on Blatter and then staying exactly as it was.

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Rex

I remember too. Blatter basically took the torch and developed the existing culture within FIFA further. The whole damn thing needs to be burnt to the ground. The FBI and the Swiss investigators need to finish their jobs, and all rotten eggs need to rooted out. Then FIFA needs to be rebuilt in a manner which makes corruption a LOT harder.

Biggus

Biggus wrote:
Blatters regime is a continuation of Joao Havelanges patronage system which saw football become the true world game, but the fact is FIFA in its present guise has thrived because of its practice the aeons old patronage system in places where there are little social services never mind financial support for youth passtimes.
They are in effect an alternative state just like the Sth American drug cartels and the err Mafia who provide similar services in return for the protection of the local populous.
People need to realise that the destruction of all this will see the power of the game concentrated in the hands of the stronger football countries ie Europe and the America's, and thats not ideal either.

jones

Biggus wrote:
Biggus wrote:
Blatters regime is a continuation of Joao Havelanges patronage system which saw football become the true world game, but the fact is FIFA in its present guise has thrived because of its practice the aeons old patronage system in places where there are little social services never mind financial support for youth passtimes.
They are in effect an alternative state just like the Sth American drug cartels and the err Mafia who provide similar services in return for the protection of the local populous.
People need to realise that the destruction of all this will see the power of the game concentrated in the hands of the stronger football countries ie Europe and the America's, and thats not ideal either.

Agree. Essentially, football as it is today is fucked; either we drive out all of the corruption and then would have the big FAs ruling as they see fit or (and this is even less likely) we'd remove the root of the corruption which is the huge sponsor money pouring into it, which would theoretically lead to a reduction of corruption possibilities but a massive decline in quality all over as well. The same money that makes it possible for us to enjoy the game at the high level we're enjoying it now ruins the sport in terms of anything resembling something like ethics - which makes football basically a reflection of world politics. As long as we're financing the system, be it at domestic, continental or international level, via licence fees and the likes we're not in any real position to criticise it either.

Biggus

Yep, corruption follows money as sure as night follows day.

Mirth

The annoying thing about all this is that international football isn't even that good or relevant anymore. At the end of the day, I'll happily see a boycott of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups.

However, if someone suggested boycotting a Premier league season - there would be blood.

Jens

General Mirth wrote:
The annoying thing about all this is that international football isn't even that good or relevant anymore. At the end of the day, I'll happily see a boycott of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups.

However, if someone suggested boycotting a Premier league season - there would be blood.

Speak for yourself, I can't think of a more depressing thought than having to wait until 2026 for the next World Cup.

Biggus

Blatters rule of FIFA oversaw a struggle between international and club football, he himself stated on many occasions that he thought the latter should serve the former and tried to enforce that.
He introduced many stupid competitions like the confederations cup etc....
It may be what the sponsors and us fans want but I don't think virtual 7 days a week 365 days a year football is sustainable in terms of the players health and fitness, theres just too much football nowadays.

Rex

I'd agree with that, Mirth.

Mirth

Biggus wrote:
Blatters rule of FIFA oversaw a struggle between international and club football, he himself stated on many occasions that he thought the latter should serve the former and tried to enforce that.
He introduced many stupid competitions like the confederations cup etc....
It may be what the sponsors and us fans want but I don't think virtual 7 days a week 365 days a year football is sustainable in terms of the players health and fitness, theres just too much football nowadays.

The one thing I will give Blatter credit for was bringing the WC to Asia in 2002 and South Africa in 2010. Odds are both acts were tainted by corruption but I'm glad it happened anyway.

I feel if UEFA break off and do their own thing, we'll never seen something like that happening again. Fifa is a horrible odious organisation but what they try to do - at face value - should be preserved.

While agree corruption and power politics will always exist, it doesn't mean all international organisations are doomed to fail. The number one reason why FIFA is this ridiculous is chiefly down to the lack of checks and balances that exist in most organisations but have not yet been implemented. Simple things like the disclosure of remuneration to senior management and mandatory terms of Presidency would help.

A basic re-structure of the voting system would help too because I'm not fundamentally against Europe taking the lead in FIFA and yielding greater influence. I don't think international organisations can ever exist unless someone takes the de-facto leadership role anyway. It's much more preferable than having one single person controlling everything or having it thinly spread across tiny member states, most of whom don't care about decisions that are being made - whether they're being bribed for it or otherwise

jones

General Mirth wrote:
The one thing I will give Blatter credit for was bringing the WC to Asia in 2002 and South Africa in 2010. Odds are both acts were tainted by corruption but I'm glad it happened anyway.

Not having a go at you but here's the thing - when it's about smaller, non-Western countries we all immediately (rightly) assume it's down to corruption, but in our own backyard nobody seems to do wrong, ever. The WC was supposed to go to South Africa in 2006 already, the only reason it didn't was because German officials and institutions like Beckenbauer and Bayern Munich bribed countries everywhere to make sure it comes here.

Biggus

So what are we looking at now-World football being controlled from Europe with the World cup alternating from there to the USA every time?
It'll be like the fucking "World series" in baseball.

goon

The Europeans I can understand but why the fuck would the USA have so much sway? You guys are far too cynical 😆

If it's properly structured it will go wherever it will generate most money and interest for the body, which probably means a continuation of the current strategy, with particular focus on the Americas and Asia. Africa will probably be the big losers.

Bold Tone

jones wrote:
General Mirth wrote:
The one thing I will give Blatter credit for was bringing the WC to Asia in 2002 and South Africa in 2010. Odds are both acts were tainted by corruption but I'm glad it happened anyway.

Not having a go at you but here's the thing - when it's about smaller, non-Western countries we all immediately (rightly) assume it's down to corruption, but in our own backyard nobody seems to do wrong, ever. The WC was supposed to go to South Africa in 2006 already, the only reason it didn't was because German officials and institutions like Beckenbauer and Bayern Munich bribed countries everywhere to make sure it comes here.

That much is true and Blatter ensured himself strong African support by delivering on his promise to make sure they got the next one even though he couldn't lose the greed and took that £10m. He also delivered on their request for extra places in the World Cup by giving them 2 more when the number of qualifying teams was increased to 32.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification

Mirth

jones wrote:
General Mirth wrote:
The one thing I will give Blatter credit for was bringing the WC to Asia in 2002 and South Africa in 2010. Odds are both acts were tainted by corruption but I'm glad it happened anyway.

Not having a go at you but here's the thing - when it's about smaller, non-Western countries we all immediately (rightly) assume it's down to corruption, but in our own backyard nobody seems to do wrong, ever. The WC was supposed to go to South Africa in 2006 already, the only reason it didn't was because German officials and institutions like Beckenbauer and Bayern Munich bribed countries everywhere to make sure it comes here.

Oh no, you misunderstand - I'm operating on the assumption that every single WC in the past 20 years has been corrupted.

My point is that the two WC's in Asia and Africa were particularly good things, even if their bids were not legitimate.

Mirth

Biggus wrote:
So what are we looking at now-World football being controlled from Europe with the World cup alternating from there to the USA every time?
It'll be like the fucking "World series" in baseball.

The USA Football Association have literally not shown any interest in the running of FIFA or the leadership battle at the moment. The FBI investigation is on a higher level than any of this.

Claudius

Happy that corruption has been exposed and led to expulsions. Concerned that the West will try to impose its will on FIFA, with a view to returning to the old World Cup every 8 years regime.

Biggus

The World Cup was always every 4 years except during the war.
I'm more concerned that there'll be an "international CL" a cosy rich mans club.

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