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Shinda

Klaus wrote:
Ricky1985 wrote:
Just get Howedes and be done with it. He'd be ideal.

The perfect signing at this stage. I would trust him against Bayern in Champions League if it came down to it.

It easier said than done. Most defenders who are in their prime will not come to Arsenal because they know they will not be first choice. Only City and PSG has four defenders that can start for most teams, why because they offer them crazy money to sit on the bench for their respective team.

Klaus

So pay him well to come and sit on our bench and wait for an opportunity, then. I don't really see the problem. We don't have four defenders who would 'start for most teams' - we have two, and that includes all of our fullbacks.

Shinda

We are not funded by an entire country.

QuincyAbeyie

Klaus wrote:
Manolas and Rabiot wouldn't even get into the team. They are absolute nonfactors at this stage and wouldn't change the feeling that it has been a disappointing transfer window.

Surely you don't mean that having more bodies in defense is a nonfactor. Unless you think Monreal is a better CB.

Jed

That face screams 'brutal CB'

:drool:

Klaus

Shinda wrote:
We are not funded by an entire country.

You don't need to be funded by an entire country in order to pay a bench player comparable wages to the regular defenders. Sign Höwedes and give him whatever Mertesacker is on. Problem solved.

evoh

Klaus wrote:
Shinda wrote:
We are not funded by an entire country.

You don't need to be funded by an entire country in order to pay a bench player comparable wages to the regular defenders. Sign Höwedes and give him whatever Mertesacker is on. Problem solved.

Why would you pay a player who sits on the bench the same as a starter? Its about distributing the funds and you don't need to pay over the odds for a guy who isn't going to be used that often; backup Cbs get what 10ish games a year?

Plus, how do you convince Schalke's captain and nailed on starter to come here and ride the bench? Any player that is motivated to do that for money is a guy you want nowhere near this club.

Klaus

evoh wrote:
Klaus wrote:
You don't need to be funded by an entire country in order to pay a bench player comparable wages to the regular defenders. Sign Höwedes and give him whatever Mertesacker is on. Problem solved.

Why would you pay a player who sits on the bench the same as a starter?

To make him come and sit on the bench, obviously.

Players care about two things: playing time and money. If you can't guarantee the former straight away you need to give them an incentive. Show them that you rate them on pair with current starters. If Höwedes is good enough to start he will get plenty of chances to prove it. Have you even seen our squad? The season started two days ago and we're already bleeding in three positions.

y va marquer

Jed wrote:

That face screams 'brutal CB'

:drool:

😆 It does a little, looks as if he's drawing a deep, angry breath.
A timebomb of menace

Qwiss

He looks like the one legged guy in Orange is the New Black

lorddulaarsenal

Looks ready to break fabregas and end all this silly fawning

y va marquer

He also looks as if he could be on Eastenders, or something equally grim.

lorddulaarsenal

I recon he could kill Jason Bourne

y va marquer

Or Giroud.

lorddulaarsenal

Only one way Giroud is leaving this world and that's whilst being intimate with a woman

evoh

Klaus wrote:
evoh wrote:
Why would you pay a player who sits on the bench the same as a starter?

To make him come and sit on the bench, obviously.

Players care about two things: playing time and money. If you can't guarantee the former straight away you need to give them an incentive. Show them that you rate them on pair with current starters. If Höwedes is good enough to start he will get plenty of chances to prove it. Have you even seen our squad? The season started two days ago and we're already bleeding in three positions.

That is a bit of a false argument as we are only missing players we gave a huge rest to after the world cup. Howedes isn't going to come here and we are not going to pay £15m plus wages for a guy who is an insurance policy. How is a bench CB going to get loads of chances to show his talent? You never rotate CBs if you can avoid it so he is going to wait for an injury to one or the other. Better to get someone who can develop and won't cost the earth.

As I said, I doubt you would want a player who was motivated to come to arsenal solely because we are going to front him £90k a week BECAUSE he is going to sit most games out.

Mirth

Howedes can play across the back line, not just at CB. He'd get plenty of game time if he joined.

Klaus

evoh wrote:
That is a bit of a false argument as we are only missing players we gave a huge rest to after the world cup.

How is this connected to anything I wrote?

evoh

Klaus wrote:
evoh wrote:
That is a bit of a false argument as we are only missing players we gave a huge rest to after the world cup.

How is this connected to anything I wrote?

Bleeding in 3 positions?

Klaus

How are Gibbs and Sanogo missing because of the world cup?

Either way, it was quite clearly a comment about the amount of injuries we pick up. There will be plenty of opportunities for someone like Höwedes to establish himself in the team. Reckon he'd fancy that challenge. If he can't step up he'll be out of here within 18 months anyway.

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